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Talk:Fun Things to Do in Hiding - Volume Three!

2008-09-10T11:44:46Z

LordGreystoke422:

Any chance we can think of a different caption for the screenshot? I know these are supposed to be funny, but I think we can do better than this.

:The current caption is, "Does this apron make my boobs look big?" What would you like it to say?--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 22:26, 9 September 2008 (CDT)

::I agree with Amanda, and I submit the following alternate caption. "This will fit nicely in my spice rack."[[User:ApotheosisAZ|Apo]] 22:54, 9 September 2008 (CDT)

:::How may I help you?--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 23:11, 9 September 2008 (CDT)

::::How the Hell do ya turn on these damn light sabers anyway? --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 23:20, 9 September 2008 (CDT)
::::"This caption changed due to privacy concerns" ;) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 23:27, 9 September 2008 (CDT)

:::::: "Since the Eqal privacy page lock this wiki is down to two paid for boobs. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 06:44, 10 September 2008 (CDT)

Talk:Fun Things to Do in Hiding - Volume Three!

2008-09-10T04:20:19Z

LordGreystoke422:

Talk:Fun Things to Do in Hiding - Volume Three!

2008-09-10T04:19:57Z

LordGreystoke422:

Amanda Goodfried

2008-08-14T23:21:56Z

LordGreystoke422: Ok fine..even if the first part is true..its not good wiki..and the last part is pure unadaulterated speculation..so..reverted..bad LG422.

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| LG15role = supervising producer
| KMrole = co-executive producer
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| forum-posts = Amanda
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| bebo = agoodfried
| character = [[Lucy]]
| execprod = yes
| coexecprod = yes
| serprod = yes
| producer = yes
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'''Amanda Solomon Goodfried''' is the Head of Production, EQAL Los Angeles. She previously worked as the Supervising Producer of lonelygirl15. In this capacity, she oversaw all aspects of physical production including location scouting, cast and crew scheduling, set design, props, and line production. Until recently, she ran the Interactive Department at [[EQAL]], taking responsibility for in-character chat/forum, YouTube and myspace pages, and live events. Prior to joining lonelygirl15, Amanda, an attorney, worked in the business affairs department at the Creative Artists Agency (CAA) in Beverly Hills, a Hollywood talent agency.

Amanda received a B.A. in Political Science from the University of California at Berkeley and a J.D. from the University of Miami.

Amanda is married to [[Greg Goodfried]], an Executive Producer of lonelygirl15 and Founder/Co-President of [[EQAL]].

[[Image:Lucy The Human Ransom.JPG|thumb|120px|left|Amanda Goodfried as "Lucy" in episode [[The Human Ransom]].]]
It was revealed by Wired Magazine, that Amanda was brought on to the project to portray [[Bree]] online. The Creators felt that they needed a female to type responses as Bree, and knew that they could trust Amanda. When users sent an e-mail or message to Bree on YouTube or MySpace, it was usually Amanda who responded. This is how the connection to Creative Artists Agency was made. Amanda responded to messages while at work and the IP address of CAA was discovered within one of these messages.

Comments on the MySpace wall of Amanda from the band The Jane Doe's were also discovered by fans, who concluded that she helped the band get their song in the [[Swimming!]] video.

Amanda has received credit for helping write the story since the video [[Bree The Cookie Monster]]. She was briefly a leading suspect for the role of [[Lucy]], but this speculation was dropped after it was revealed that Lucy was played by [[Jessi Williams]]. However, after the release of [[The Human Ransom]], The Creators clarified that while Jessi Williams had played Lucy for a while, she was now portrayed by Amanda, and had been ever since her appearance [[On The Run]].

It was also later revealed that the actress portraying [[Jules]] was Amanda's sister, [[Shannon Solomon]]. Additionally, the actress who originally portrayed [[Bree's mom]], [[Cameos#Allison Probert|Allison Probert]], is believed to be Amanda's cousin.

In addition to her roles as producer and head of interactivity on lonelygirl15 and co-executive producer for KateModern, Amanda is the writer, director, editor, and producer of the [[Nikki Bower]] videos. She also portrays the character of Kitty on the fan series [[LonelyJew15]]

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Amanda Goodfried

2008-08-14T23:20:39Z

LordGreystoke422:

{{Crew
| name = Amanda Goodfried
| background = creator
| image = Cruisin with the Ladies - Amanda.jpg
| role = [[The Creators|Creator]]
| EQALrole = head of production, LA
| LG15role = supervising producer
| KMrole = co-executive producer
| age = {{age|19790204}}
| birthday = February 4th, 1979
| myspace = amandagoodfried
| forum-posts = Amanda
| IMDB = 2667533
| bebo = agoodfried
| character = [[Lucy]]
| execprod = yes
| coexecprod = yes
| serprod = yes
| producer = yes
| director = yes
| vidplay = yes
| story = yes
| camera = yes
| editor = yes
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'''Amanda Solomon Goodfried''' is the Head of Production, EQAL Los Angeles. She previously worked as the Supervising Producer of lonelygirl15. In this capacity, she oversaw all aspects of physical production including location scouting, cast and crew scheduling, set design, props, and line production. Until recently, she ran the Interactive Department at [[EQAL]], taking responsibility for in-character chat/forum, YouTube and myspace pages, and live events. Prior to joining lonelygirl15, Amanda, an attorney, worked in the business affairs department at the Creative Artists Agency (CAA) in Beverly Hills, a Hollywood talent agency.

Amanda received a B.A. in Political Science from the University of California at Berkeley and a J.D. from the University of Miami.

Amanda is married to [[Greg Goodfried]], an Executive Producer of lonelygirl15 and Founder/Co-President of [[EQAL]].
It has also be noted that Amanda has really great teeth and a resultant winning smile. Some suggest that Colgate or some other toothpaste company should tap Lucy for a product placement.

[[Image:Lucy The Human Ransom.JPG|thumb|120px|left|Amanda Goodfried as "Lucy" in episode [[The Human Ransom]].]]
It was revealed by Wired Magazine, that Amanda was brought on to the project to portray [[Bree]] online. The Creators felt that they needed a female to type responses as Bree, and knew that they could trust Amanda. When users sent an e-mail or message to Bree on YouTube or MySpace, it was usually Amanda who responded. This is how the connection to Creative Artists Agency was made. Amanda responded to messages while at work and the IP address of CAA was discovered within one of these messages.

Comments on the MySpace wall of Amanda from the band The Jane Doe's were also discovered by fans, who concluded that she helped the band get their song in the [[Swimming!]] video.

Amanda has received credit for helping write the story since the video [[Bree The Cookie Monster]]. She was briefly a leading suspect for the role of [[Lucy]], but this speculation was dropped after it was revealed that Lucy was played by [[Jessi Williams]]. However, after the release of [[The Human Ransom]], The Creators clarified that while Jessi Williams had played Lucy for a while, she was now portrayed by Amanda, and had been ever since her appearance [[On The Run]].

It was also later revealed that the actress portraying [[Jules]] was Amanda's sister, [[Shannon Solomon]]. Additionally, the actress who originally portrayed [[Bree's mom]], [[Cameos#Allison Probert|Allison Probert]], is believed to be Amanda's cousin.

In addition to her roles as producer and head of interactivity on lonelygirl15 and co-executive producer for KateModern, Amanda is the writer, director, editor, and producer of the [[Nikki Bower]] videos. She also portrays the character of Kitty on the fan series [[LonelyJew15]]

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Talk:Aleister Crowley

2008-08-13T01:05:01Z

LordGreystoke422:

i keep looking for this picture but i don't see it. is it on the back wall or on the left side?
:I detailed its location a little more accurately in the article; it's above her bookcase, a few feet to the left of her door. - [[User:Dharmabum420|Dharmabum420]] 13:37, 2 October 2006 (PDT)

== best view of the picture ==

i think the picture can be best seen in the episode "a change in my life" [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=52] and that makes sense because it's about her religion.

== Kathulu/Cthulhu ==

I'm removing a lot of this stuff as I don't see where it's coming from. Cthulhu is not mentioned in the Bible, and even if there is someone claiming that Leviathan is another name for Cthulhu, Leviathan does not appear in the book of Revelation (no 's'), nor anywhere in the New Testament. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:06, 9 November 2006 (PST)

Whats wrong with this: [http://lib.oto-usa.org/libri/liber0220.html A text version of The Book of the Law] is available on the internet.???--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 20:00, 21 November 2006 (CST)

==Prophet==
I think I heard something about Crowley being described as a prophet. It would be nice to have a section about that.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 17:26, 30 November 2006 (CST)

Any comment on the prophet question?--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 01:23, 2 December 2006 (CST)

==Book of the Dead==
[http://books.google.com/books?id=f9GZfLz95FgC&dq=Crowley+translated+the+Book+of+the+Dead.&pg=PR12&ots=GfJD1hxAUh&sig=j7eTBaHA-B3Xa8eSqeTZFIL8OXA&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fq%3DCrowley%2520translated%2520the%2520Book%2520of%2520the%2520Dead.&sa=X&oi=print&ct=result&cd=2#PPR12,M1 According to this] Crowley did infact translate the Book of the Dead and that secion should not have been deleted.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 01:06, 1 December 2006 (CST)

No, according to that, Crowley had the Stele of Revealing translated from Egyptian...NOT the Egyptian Book of the Dead. The Egyptian Book of the Dead was not the only work ever translated from Egyptian to English. You really need to actually read the material you are quoting and actually follow up on the quotes. --[[User:Tannhaus|Tannhaus]] 01:35, 1 December 2006 (CST)

I found this on an external site and [http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/11/lonelygirl15-crowley-bush-and-more.html it basically says what I've been saying]

:I have no problem leaving the book of the dead off the Crowley page for now. I need to read up a little on the subject like you suggest. I do however think the book of the dead is a very interesting topic for discussion.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 01:22, 2 December 2006 (CST)

:As for the Cake of Light comment in your article, what we have is a direct quote from Wikipedia, if thats wrong perhaps you can get them to change the soucre material and we can change the quote accordingly.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 01:29, 2 December 2006 (CST)

But, the simple fact is that Crowley had nothing to do with translating the book of the dead. Crowley did not know Egyptian. When the Stele of Revealing was translated, he had to pay the curator at the Bulaq museum to translate it for him....and that's just a small egyptian tablet.

As far as the cake of light comment, you added the quotes after I made my change it appears. But, while the source material was not wrong on that quote, I just added to the information. --[[User:Tannhaus|Tannhaus]] 11:51, 2 December 2006 (CST)

Magick section. In this section I'm really not sure what you're trying to say. How can someone confuse an entity: Cthulu with a practice: magick. It seems like that sentence doesn't fit at all. --[[User:Tannhaus|Tannhaus]] 21:19, 2 December 2006 (CST)

== Geneology Section ==

I'm editing out the geneology section. It was part of an April Fool's joke. It has no basis in fact and is not seriously considered by anyone, as evidenced by the blog that the original statement referenced: http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/11/lonelygirl15-crowley-bush-and-more.html

and:

http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=827#comments

It's really apparent that people can say anything about Crowley and someone will believe it, but this is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Tannhaus|Tannhaus]] 06:07, 4 December 2006 (CST)

== Speculation on a Moonchild ==

I'm not really sure about how speculations are handled here, but does this section really belong here in the Aleister Crowley article? --[[User:Tannhaus|Tannhaus]] 15:39, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:Now that we've been working on a Theories and Speculation category, a Moonchild article in place of that section would probably be more suitable. However, the section provides no info on the Moonchild or any other reasons why fans speculated that it could have any connection with Bree's ceremony. I'd investigate into that... if there are no other reasons, I'd say the connection is too weak to really merit an article, in which case the section should just be removed. Anyone else know about this? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:24, 10 December 2006 (CST)

::I agree that this connection is too weak. It was rather far-fetched speculation at the time--there were no clues beyond references to Crowley to suggest anything of the kind. Moreover, since we know the ceremony which did take place was a fake, this entry is simply incorrect. I'll delete it now. --[[User:Treefunk|Treefunk]] 16:39, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:::WOW..UMMMMM its SPECULATION.... Open up the MoonChild Speculation page. Many of us thought this was what the ceremony would produce or that Bree herself was a moonchild. NOW..with the revelation that Bree was CHOSEN and given to a hand picked family in the order...OPEN THE DOORS!...by the way..how DO you redirect a redirect. Also, I have Videos that reference the moonchild and it would be nice to have along with some of our old speculation. Pedia articles are not JUST about what IS happening..but about what did happen. EVEN if we barked down a wrong tree..the concept of a moonchild is rather important to impart to newbies in HOW we used it. I mean between spaciegirl and myself we musta had a few dozen posts or more dealing with Moonchild topics and Babalon workings etc. Also..ehem...I have videos in the can that reference some of this stuff.. I always did say I was a VW... --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 23:03, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::::I'm not sure what you mean by "redirect a redirect", but I think I can answer your question. Right now if you search for "moonchild" or click on any [[Moonchild]] links, you'll be redirected to this Aleister Crowley article. Right underneath the title, in small type you'll see some text that says (Redirected from [[Moonchild]]). Click that moonchild link and you'll go to the "real" article. Click that edit tab and away you go! I'm not very familiar with the Moonchild speculation or why anyone thought that the story might be headed that way, so please state your reasons as well as some background for the clueless (e.g., me). Of course, references and relevance in LG422 would also be good material for it. We used to have a Moonchild article, but I'm not sure if it was outright deleted or if just the text was... you can check the history to see if there's any material there to get you started.<br>
::::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:33, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:::::Oh no... not the return of Moonchild!! I'm sorry, but I am opposed to a page on Moonchild. There's just nothing in the series that actually points to this. I don't mind speculation pages, but I'm opposed to nonsense pages. We've done a lot of work cleaning up the LGPedia from the days when we had pages on Vampires, Moonchilds, Orders of the Big Bang, and other wild theories -- these pages did nothing but confuse people. There's a thread at the forum right now discussing whether or not Jonas and Daniel are gayliens (it means what you think it means: gay aliens), but posts at the forum does not a credible theory make, nor one that deserves inclusion in the LGPedia. Moonchild was deleted through our LGPedia deletion process. If it is to be recreated, there needs to be ''compelling'' and '''''new''''' reasons for this page to exist.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 08:28, 16 January 2007 (CST)

::::::I agree totally. LGPedia had become a laughing stock on other sites because of the erroneous and totally ridiculous stuff in it. It took a lot of work for us all to get things to a point where things are reasonable. I'd hate to see it degenerate to those levels again. I personally don't even see why someone would give the Deacons the time of day, much less pedia entries. They're clearly someone trying to look spooky. But, a little fluff is no reason to throw in the towel and just throw anything up that anyone can dream of. --[[User:Tannhaus|Tannhaus]] 14:35, 16 January 2007 (CST)

:::::::I was glad the first Moonchild page was put to sleep, and I myself have dedicated plenty of time to eradicating nonsense articles, but I thought LG422 was trying to tell us that there was indeed some discussion and/or relevance to Moonchild stuff in the series and/or fanfiction, and I'm not opposed to having an article on it '''provided''' (as I said in my previous comment) that reasons for its inclusion are clearly stated... which looking at the new article, they are not. Or if they are there, then they are definitely not compelling enough. I see no problem with this info being included in the LG422 article if it's of real relevance to his story arcs. But it appears not to be in the Breeniverse. Where to go from here? Give the article a week or so to see if it turns into anything worthwhile? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:41, 16 January 2007 (CST)

::::::::I have to say...I'm thoroughly amused by these indentations... but I personally don't see much reason for including the article...especially since the Aeon of Horus began in 1904. So, it doesn't make sense that she's a moonchild to bring about the Aeon of Horus when we're 100 years into the Aeon of Horus...

::::::::But, I think the only place where the article might have relevance is in Lordgreystoke's videos (I'm not sure...I haven't seen many of them). So, I think it should perhaps be included as a section in his page and not a separate pedia article.

::::::::Just my opinion though... --[[User:Tannhaus|Tannhaus]] 19:57, 16 January 2007 (CST)

== Some disparities... ==

There is a huge difference between Jimmy Page having a curiosity about Crowley and an interest in his writings and Crowley being an influence of Zeppelin's music!!

More evidence to support that statement is needed or it needs to be removed. Many connections? I think not.

Also, the statement that Crowley "has had an influence on Rock and Roll music" needs more backup than the article referenced. The article referenced would better suit a statement like 'Crowley has long been a subject of fascination to many people, causing even some famous musicians and artists to reference him in their works'

Also this article seems rather content-poor. There isn't much about Crowley's life other than a brief bit about his upbringing.

:Hi Nursesinna,<br>
:Your points on the Aleister Crowley article are all apropos. It's been a difficult article from the start since it tends to attract all sorts of speculative edits. Please add anything you know about Crowley and his upbringing that you think should be mentioned, particularly where sources are available. Also, your rewording of the Zeppelin bit sounds very good. I definitely agree with that change. Thanks for taking note of all this. <br>
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 21:47, 27 January 2007 (CST)

== Information from "The Secret" article ==

Pasting this information here for now, in case we do want to merge it into this article. "The Secret" article was deleted.

"The existence of secrets within a religious order is often more important than the content of the secrets. For example, the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca Inca] Priests kept secret their knowledge of the movements of the earth and the sun. This allowed them to predict the season to the masses and thus helped them maintain power over their followers. As one enters into the inner circles of a religion one gains more access to the secrets and hence more status within the religion.

[[Aleister Crowley]] understood the psychological importance of secrets and used them to develop power over his followers. It does not matter if the actual secret is relatively harmless. What matters is that the secret must be maintained in order to maintain the exclusivity of the group. However the secret must have some "perceived value' to those for who know it in order for it to be effective.

What [[Aleister Crowley]] was more noted for was the flaunting of alleged “secrets” in a way that mocked those who let their imaginations inflate their assumptions about said secrets."

[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:56, 29 January 2007 (CST)

I'd recommend not merging it. The tie in is inflammatory and not factual --[[User:Tannhaus|Tannhaus]] 02:38, 30 January 2007 (CST)

:Tell you what... I don't know about inflammatory, but it sure does seem useless and irrelevant. I just thought the nomination to merge would go over better than that of outright deletion. In [[Talk:The Secret]] you can see how the consensus was to merge or outright delete. I moved the content over just to be on the safe side, but we certainly don't have to include it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 08:39, 30 January 2007 (CST)

::Well, it's just the "Aleister Crowley understood the psychological importance of secrets and used them to develop power over his followers". First, it implies that thelemites were aleister crowley's "followers"...which has a negative connotation..and then implies that he somehow has control over them. If the person knew anything about Crowley's life story, they would realize that's not the case. It's just meant to slam thelemites. --[[User:Tannhaus|Tannhaus]] 21:01, 30 January 2007 (CST)

== Crowley and Anonymous ==
We need to tread lightly here with regards to connections between Crowley..the organization Anonymous that is attempting to shake up Scientology. Other than the Crowley connections to L Ron Hubbard via Jon Parsons..there isnt mich connecting him to Scientology and Anonymous. We need to separated any speculative fictional references from factual as well. The comment I reverted seemed more like someone was confused and asking a question. In which case..here would be a better place..but as I see it now...Anonymous has no place here on this article.--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 20:05, 12 August 2008 (CDT)

Aleister Crowley

2008-08-13T00:58:02Z

LordGreystoke422: Undid confused entry...its not very encylopedic and I am not sure exactly how they were trying to integrate it

{{update}}{{One other use|the historical figure|the video|Aleister Crowley (video)}}
[[Image:Crowleyshrine.jpg|thumb|295px|Freeze frame of the picture of Aleister Crowley that hangs on Bree's wall.]]

==Introduction==
'''Aleister Crowley''' (1875-1947) (pronounced "Al-list-er Crow-lee") was a figure in late 19th and early 20th century occultism. [[Bree]] has a picture of him on the wall of her bedroom (above her bookcase, to the left of her door), leading many to assume that [[Hymn of One|her religion]] is affiliated in some way with [[Thelema]].

Crowley grew up in a strict [[Plymouth Brethren]] family where his mother sometimes referred to him as the "Beast of Revelations". After his father's death, he became disillusioned with his religious upbringing and began to explore alternative religions. This eventually led him to discover magick and The Golden Dawn.

Crowley and [[Arthur Edward Waite]] (1857-1942) were associates in the early days of the [[Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn]], but became rivals after the destruction of the Golden Dawn. After leaving to found rival organizations (Crowley the A.: A.: (Argenteum Astrum) and Waite the Fellowship of the Rosy Cross), the men mocked each other in published works.

Crowley's life largely consisted of exploring the far reaches of the once great British Empire, studying various forms of Vajrayana Buddhism, theosophy, occultism, ceremonial magick, and ancient ritual. He incorporated these into his own comprehensive methodology in an extensive body of literature consisting of poetry, prose, essays, and syncretized occultism.

Dubbed the "Wickedest Man in the World" by the British yellow press, Crowley is perhaps best known for his seemingly contradictory but esoterically linked instructions called the Law of Thelema: "Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under Will". Sometimes taken erroneously to mean "do what you want", he published several statements explaining the meaning of the Law and how it does not equate to that.<ref>[http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib2.html Epistle on Do what thou wilt from Hermetic.com]</ref> He is also associated with the number '''93''', since qabalistically love and will both enumerate to 93, thus it is shorthand for the Law of Thelema.

In 1920 he and a small group of followers moved to Cefalu, in Sicily,<ref>[http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Abbey_of_Thelema Abbey of Thelema]</ref> where they attempted to establish a Thelemic monastery called "The Abbey of Thelema". In his Confessions, he wrote of his life in this first Thelemic monastery.<ref>[http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/confess/chapter87.html Chapter 87 of ''Confessions'' at Hermetic.com]</ref>

Aleister Crowley has had an influence on Rock and Roll music,<ref>[http://www.arthistoryclub.com/art_history/Aleister_Crowley Aleister Crowley's influence on Rock and Roll]</ref> although none of this music is used in [[lonelygirl15| the lonelygirl15 production]]. There are many connections between [[Jimmy Page]] of the rock band Led Zeppelin<ref>{{wikipedia|Led_Zeppelin|Wikipedia article on Led Zeppelin}}</ref> and Aleister Crowley.

In the video [[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]], [[Daniel]] reads a story from an unspecified Arizona newspaper that associates Crowley with [[1943 abduction|an abduction in 1943]]. However, Crowley never lived in Arizona nor owned a house there, so the reference was complete fiction.

Crowley's birthday is October 12, which was the date of the [[The Ceremony|fake ceremony]] that [[Lucy]] used to trick [[Daniel]]. The occasion is casually celebrated by modern Thelemites under the title of Crowleymas, typically with curry, wine and lots of mirth.

==Ordo Templi Orientis==

The Ordo Templis Orientis<ref>[http://www.oto-usa.org Official website of Ordo Templi Orientis]</ref> was founded by German [[Freemason|freemason]] and mystic Carl Kellner. It was continued after his death by Theodor Reuss, who initiated Aleister Crowley and made him its head in Great Britain. Crowley made the OTO the first organization to accept the Law of [[Thelema]], which is expressed as "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."

After Reuss's death, Aleister Crowley took over the Ordo Templi Orientis as Outer Head of the Order (OHO). He served in that capacity until his death. However, after his death, there was some dispute over who Crowley had named to become his successor. These matters were taken up in court and Hymaneus Alpha (Grady McMurtry) was decided to be the true OHO. The others who thought they should have been named were not satisfied with the rulings so went on to establish their own factions of the OTO even though they are prevented from calling themselves the OTO in the United States where the rulings were decided. However, these factions still contest the legitimacy of the OTO's succession from Crowley.

==Magick==
Magick is "any act designed to cause intentional change. This term is often spelled with a terminal "k" to differentiate it from other practices, such as "stage magic"".<ref name="Thelemapedia">[http://www.thelemapedia.org Thelemapedia.org article on Magick]</ref>
"[[Aleister Crowley]] saw magick as the essential method for a person to reach true understanding of the self and to act according to one's [[Free will|True Will]]"<ref name="Thelemapedia"/> Many people believed that [[The Ceremony|Bree's ritual]] was going to involve a fictitious ceremony drawn in part at least from one of Crowleys real ceremonies.

==People Crowley knew==
Among the influential contemporary religious leaders that Crowley knew are Israel Regardie<ref>{{wikipedia|Israel_Regardie|Wikipedia article on Israel Regardie}}</ref>, Jack Parsons<ref>{{wikipedia|Jack_Parsons|Wikipedia article on Jack Parsons}}</ref>, and Allan Bennett<ref>[http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Allan_Bennett Wikipedia article on Allan Bennett]</ref>. Crowley knew of L. Ron Hubbard<ref>{{wikipedia|L._Ron_Hubbard|Wikipedia article on L. Ron Hubbard}}</ref>, but there is no evidence they knew each other personally; only through Parsons.

==Aleister Crowley and LG15==
===Bree===
The reason that Aleister Crowley has attracted so much attention is that Bree has a picture of him as part of what some describe as a "shrine" in [[Bree's bedroom|her bedroom]].

[[Image:Crowley shrine bree bedroom.jpg]]

This screenshot from the [[A Change In My Life]] video clearly shows the "shrine" in the context of Bree's bedroom. (The image has been digitally enhanced to show the area with the "shrine " more clearly). Bree has never referred to Crowley directly but she has make several references to [[Hymn of One|her religion]].

===The Hymn of One===
Crowley has been revealed to be a revered figure within the [[Hymn of One]], with many holidays and religious views generated from his works and lifetime.

===Notes===
*Aleister Crowley's last name is mispronounced as "Cr-ow-ly" throughout the series. The correct pronunciation rhymes with the word "holy".

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
{{wikibox|Aleister_Crowley|Aleister Crowley}}
*[http://www.oto-usa.org/crowley.html OTO page on Aleister Crowley]
*[http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/confess/ The Confessions of Aleister Crowley]
*[http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/index.html Many of Crowley's writings]
*[http://www.lashtal.com The Aleister Crowley Society]

{{The Order}}

Lonefox101

2008-08-12T20:58:50Z

LordGreystoke422:

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'''[[Lonefox101]]'''
is one of the more popular [[fanfic]] series within the [[LG15]] World. [http://www.youtube.com/lonefox101]. The series is about a 17 year old agent named Ethan Fox, who has dedicated his life to fighting [[The Order]].

==Plot==
===Season One===
====Mission: Jack====
Ethan posted his first few videos in January, trying to get [[Jack]] to help him fight [[The Order]]. Ethan is soon captured in a ransom from The Order, demanding Jack for Ethan. Ethan makes a narrow escape pretending to be in the [[Hymn of One]]. During this time, he reveals that he was an orphan, and adopted when he was 5 by the [[Wyman Foundation]].

====Mission: Tiffany====
Ethan soon gave up on finding Jack, and turns his attention to the new trait positive girl: Tiffany. He kidnaps her, but soon gains her trust when she realizes he is only there to help. Ethan gets a call from a Wyman Foundation associate, Silver Viper, asking for Tiffany. While Ethan is making his decision, a trait positive girl named Annie posts a video saying that she has been captured by the Wyman Foundation, and Ethan should not hand over Tiffany. Ethan ignores her, and hands over Tiffany the next day.

====Life After Tiffany====
While Tiffany was with Ethan, he had taken some of her blood for research. Ethan decides to test his theory by injecting trait positive blood into someone that's not trait positive: himself. From this, Ethan receives a mysterious disease that seems to kill him. After an absence of two weeks, Ethan posts a video apologizing for scaring everyone, revealing that he just had the common cold. With nothing else to do, Ethan posts a few videos goofing off.

====Messages from Tiffany====
The fun soon ends when The Order posts a video revealing that they have Tiffany, and she is going to go through with [[The Ceremony]]. Ethan doesn't believe them, until he sees a video from Tiffany pleading for help. When Ethan doesn't find her at the Wyman Foundation, and sees a video from Tiffany being forced to say things from The Order, he decides to take drastic action.

====Season One Finale: Genesis====
When Ethan tracks down a potential location from Tiffany, all he finds is a scared woman named Emily. Emily reveals that Tiffany has already gone through with the Ceremony, and is dead. When Ethan decides to leave, Emily asks him to close his eyes, and she shoots him dead. But Ethan always finds a way of coming back...

===Season Two===
====Avenging Ethan====
Season Two kicks off with Ethan posting a delayed video, saying to keep fighting The Order. Ethan's best friend Jamie tries to locate Emily, but with no prevail. She seeks the help of her friend Gwen, who manages to crack the code to Ethan's safe. She locates Ethan's regeneration formula, and uses it to bring Ethan back to life. However this goes terribly awry. Ethan strangles both Gwen and Jamie to death, and posts the video under the name "Jason."

====Ethan's Return====
Ethan posts the next video voicing his confusion on the past few days. He claims he doesn't remember doing any of those things, and doesn't know who Jason is. He decides to look for clues at the house he was murdered, but just ends up in a fight with his murderer, Emily. Ethan then tries looking for clues at the place where he killed Jamie, and succeeds in finding a piece of Jason's hair. The DNA from the hair matches Ethan's completely.

====Ethan the Elder?====
Annie, the trait positive girl who had been captured by the Wyman Foundation a few months ago, has been captured again by The Order. She tells Ethan that the prophecy states the he is destined to become an Elder. Suprisingly, Ethan accepts when The Order tells him the truth behind Jason: Jason was an Elder for 50 years before the Order decided to brainwash him, and give him false memories of being someone else: Ethan. While Ethan is preparing to ascend to an Elder, he innocently asks Emily where they keep the trait positive girls. She realizes that he is not really trying to become an Elder, just to find information. He makes a narrow escape, with the help of an old friend: Tiffany, who is alive after all.

====The End is Near...====
Annie posts a video revealing that she is [[Emma]]'s biological sister, and is going to do The Ceremony in place of Emma. What Annie does not know is that The Order does not have Emma, they are just telling her this so she will do the Ceremony. The next video is from an unlikely source: Ethan's online 13 year-old friend, Adam. Adam voices his support for Ethan, saying that he should stop being so stressed. Ethan is getting more worried by the day however, as Tiffany revealed that she has gone through 8 ceremonies, and is now Trait Negative. He also says that there is now a hit out on him and Tiffany.
==Characters==
*Ethan: A 17-year old orphan who has dedicated his life to fighting the Order.
*Jason: A 58-year old Elder and cold-blooded killer, who was Ethan before he was brainwashed by the Order.
*Tiffany: A trait-positive girl rescued by Ethan.
*Annie: Another trait-positive girl who has been captured one too many times by the Order.
*Emily: A woman working for the Order that Ethan has come across a few times.
*Adam: A 13-year old kid genius who befriended Ethan on AIM.
*Jamie: Ethan's best friend.
*Gwen: One of Jamie's friends.
*[[Jack]]: A teenager who claimed he could teleport. Ethan tried to locate him.
*Silver Viper: A Wyman Foundation worker who took Tiffany back to the Order.
*Blue Monkey: Ethan's blue stuffed monkey.
[[Category:User Generated Content]]

Lonefox101

2008-08-12T20:09:19Z

LordGreystoke422:

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'''[[Lonefox101]]'''
is one of the more popular [[fanfic]] series within the [[LG15]] World. [http://www.youtube.com/lonefox101]. The series is about a 17 year old agent named Ethan Fox, who has dedicated his life to fighting [[The Order]].

==Season One==
===Mission: Jack===
Ethan posted his first few videos in January, trying to get [[Jack]] to help him fight [[The Order]]. Ethan is soon captured in a ransom from The Order, demanding Jack for Ethan. Ethan makes a narrow escape pretending to be in the [[Hymn of One]]. During this time, he reveals that he was an orphan, and adopted when he was 5 by the [[Wyman Foundation]].

===Mission: Tiffany===
Ethan soon gave up on finding Jack, and turns his attention to the new trait positive girl: Tiffany. He kidnaps her, but soon gains her trust when she realizes he is only there to help. Ethan gets a call from a Wyman Foundation associate, Silver Viper, asking for Tiffany. While Ethan is making his decision, a trait positive girl named Annie posts a video saying that she has been captured by the Wyman Foundation, and Ethan should not hand over Tiffany. Ethan ignores her, and hands over Tiffany the next day.

===Life After Tiffany===
While Tiffany was with Ethan, he had taken some of her blood for research. Ethan decides to test his theory by injecting trait positive blood into someone that's not trait positive: himself. From this, Ethan receives a mysterious disease that seems to kill him. After an absence of two weeks, Ethan posts a video apologizing for scaring everyone, revealing that he just had the common cold. With nothing else to do, Ethan posts a few videos goofing off.

===Messages from Tiffany===
The fun soon ends when The Order posts a video revealing that they have Tiffany, and she is going to go through with [[The Ceremony]]. Ethan doesn't believe them, until he sees a video from Tiffany pleading for help. When Ethan doesn't find her at the Wyman Foundation, and sees a video from Tiffany being forced to say things from The Order, he decides to take drastic action.

===Season One Finale: Genesis===
When Ethan tracks down a potential location from Tiffany, all he finds is a scared woman named Emily. Emily reveals that Tiffany has already gone through with the Ceremony, and is dead. When Ethan decides to leave, Emily asks him to close his eyes, and she shoots him dead. But Ethan always finds a way of coming back...

==Season Two==
===Avenging Ethan===
Season Two kicks off with Ethan posting a delayed video, saying to keep fighting The Order. Ethan's best friend Jamie tries to locate Emily, but with no prevail. She seeks the help of her friend Gwen, who manages to crack the code to Ethan's safe. She locates Ethan's regeneration formula, and uses it to bring Ethan back to life. However this goes terribly awry. Ethan strangles both Gwen and Jamie to death, and posts the video under the name "Jason."

===Ethan's Return===
Ethan posts the next video voicing his confusion on the past few days. He claims he doesn't remember doing any of those things, and doesn't know who Jason is. He decides to look for clues at the house he was murdered, but just ends up in a fight with his murderer, Emily. Ethan then tries looking for clues at the place where he killed Jamie, and succeeds in finding a piece of Jason's hair. The DNA from the hair matches Ethan's completely.

===Ethan the Elder?===
Annie, the trait positive girl who had been captured by the Wyman Foundation a few months ago, has been captured again by The Order. She tells Ethan that the prophecy states the he is destined to become an Elder. Suprisingly, Ethan accepts when The Order tells him the truth behind Jason: Jason was an Elder for 50 years before the Order decided to brainwash him, and give him false memories of being someone else: Ethan. While Ethan is preparing to ascend to an Elder, he innocently asks Emily where they keep the trait positive girls. She realizes that he is not really trying to become an Elder, just to find information. He makes a narrow escape, with the help of an old friend: Tiffany, who is alive after all.

===The End is Near...===
Annie posts a video revealing that she is [[Emma]]'s biological sister, and is going to do The Ceremony in place of Emma. What Annie does not know is that The Order does not have Emma, they are just telling her this so she will do the Ceremony. The next video is from an unlikely source: Ethan's online 13 year-old friend, Adam. Adam voices his support for Ethan, saying that he should stop being so stressed. Ethan is getting more worried by the day however, as Tiffany revealed that she has gone through 8 ceremonies, and is now Trait Negative. He also says that there is now a hit out on him and Tiffany.
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User:Marbella

2008-08-11T15:06:33Z

LordGreystoke422:

== Marbella has produced Eighteen LG-15 Response Videos: ==

[[Image:223728-madesmaller.jpg]]

'''(18)SHOUT OUTS TO HOOBS!'''

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBCaDzRYyhw

'''*(17)COME BACK, BREE!'''

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuJA1xKKbyA

http://one.revver.com/watch/313993

*'''(16)THE FLIGHT'''
What is going on in Bree's mind?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMrlCa4sLY

http://one.revver.com/watch/296678/flv/affiliate/38052

*'''(15)SING THE "OOH" WITH ME!'''

Leave the HoO and come to OoH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cen2zQ2R3wQ

http://one.revver.com/watch/280567/flv/affiliate/38052

*'''(14)EMERGENCY-WILL GROUP THERAPY END?'''

http://one.revver.com/watch/250786

*'''(13) BLOOD ANGEL'''
Bree's background brought back to her attention..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJt5ZCBN6ec

http://one.revver.com/watch/266722/flv/affiliate/38052

*'''(12) WHY DOES LUCY ALWAYS WEAR SUNGLASSES?'''

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwHKR74pQ_w

*'''(11) NO ASYLUM WORD'''

This is the 3rd installment of the "Group Therapy with Stuffed Friends" series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADD9Rntox7I

Revver:

http://one.revver.com/watch/226819/flv/affiliate/38052

YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADD9Rntox7I

This video is also a part of the "group therapy" series. In this video, a statement is made about mental health care in America. Fans have described this video as both creepy and humorous.

*'''(10) Session Two: Group Therapy with Stuffed Friends'''

This video was shot with a series of stills, narrated by Marbella. Response to this video was not as strong as the original video, although some people asked for a sequel. Still, this video helped the story line to continue in a positive direction. It also contained some very cute moments.

Revver:

http://one.revver.com/watch/222429/flv/affiliate/38052

YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGnpCVvjToU

*'''(9) Dr. Marbella's Group Therapy with Stuffed Friends'''

This video was uploaded to YouTube.

[http://youtube.com/watch?v=oVk9Exp9bDU]

It was briefly uploaded to Revver and then taken off-line by the creator because the video did not display as nicely in Revver. Currently, Marbella is continuing to work on a way for the video to look better--it's a compression problem!!

*'''(8) Blood is Love?'''

This special message to Bree asks her to reconsider her own beliefs in order to be true to herself.

http://one.revver.com/watch/168154

OR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr-JoLiUWZw

*'''(7) Follow Me'''

http://one.revver.com/watch/160733/flv/affiliate/38052

Marbella states, "This video represents a series of my thoughts, written like sentences. Staying underwater that long to take photographs of myself was pretty torturous, honestly. Still, it was fun to make!"

*'''(6) Lonelygirl15 Psychosis'''

http://one.revver.com/watch/145281/flv/affiliate/38052

Featuring music by Ravel (Jeau-Deux, )this video is at once serious and comical. Marbella's intention was to reflect the experience of the Lonelycrack addict whose mind becomes so confused it feels as if it is spinning!

*'''(5) Video #5'''
Marbella's newest video offers empathic advice and guidance to Bree, to help her to avoid spiraling downward into a deeper depression. This video is available on Revver and on YouTube.

'''Dr. Marbella's Advice to Bree'''

http://one.revver.com/watch/141310/flv/affiliate/38052

*'''(4) Video #4'''
This video introduces the public to the new DanielBeast Fan Club that she founded. Since Daniel's self-esteem seemed to be lagging, this video was created:

''' Daniel is TOO Sexy!'''
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wcdNvsBWkM

(on YouTube only. Revver rejected it, due to the 1 min of copyrighted music.)

*'''(3) Video #3'''
Certain fans were expressing boredom with the "Cassie-thread" that always seems to go nowhere. At the same time, Commander Cloud of the LG-15 Defense Force proclaimed that "The Mackerel" would replace Cassie as the "official group hallucination." This video was eerie and different from Marbella's usual style. Her voice was intentionally distorted. Still, the video was ridiculous, as usual.

'''I Killed Cassie'''
http://one.revver.com/watch/137187/flv/affiliate/38052

(on Revver and Youtube, but never submitted to the LG-15 site--There just hasn't felt like an "appropriate" time!)

*'''(2) Video #2'''
Many fans have been concerned that Bree's stuffed animals contain tracking devices, or "bugs." In this video, Dr. Marbella (who holds a doctorate in Stuffed Animal Veterinary Medicine) explains how to remove "bugs" from Stuffed Friends.

'''Dr. Marbella's PSA: How To Remove Bugs from Stuffed Friends'''
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY53_bExubI
'''

*'''(1) Video #1'''
In Marbella's debut video, she expressed empathy and related feelings toward Bree. At the same time, she became alarmed by the evil orange influence surrounding her. This video was a combo of silly and sweet. It is available through Revver or YouTube, despite the fact that a long Rickie Lee Jones song is played.

'''To LG-15 Bree from Marbella'''
http://one.revver.com/watch/110662/flv/affiliate/38052


== Marbella's Name and "Fan-ship" ==

Anybody want to ride with her on the "Fan Ship?" We promise it's not going to Hale Bopp!!

'''Marbella''' chose her name because she loves beautiful marbles. At the time she chose the name, she actually believed it was her own original creation!!

However, later she discovered that there is a Spanish village named Marbella, as well as a line of Pepperidge Farm cookies! Shortly after this, RosieIsWatching PM'd her to let her know that her name means, "Beautiful Sea" in Spanish. How fitting, since there is so much water imagery in the LG-15 series!!

Marbella is the Ambassador of the LG-15 [[Defense force]] and she is also [[Daniel]]'s Personal Ambassador, as she has founded his fan club. Marbella has also earned a LG-15 Defense Force Calvary Medal.
She is a Moderator/Ambassador on the Forum.

TA-DA!!

[[Image:marbella.gif]]

== The "Real Person" ==

[[image:Laura.oct.11.06.JPEG]]

The "real person" behind Marbella is Laura Paxton. She is a 38 year old, born in Georgia, currently living in Durham, NC. Previously, she lived for five years in southern California. Laura does not look or feel even half her age. She has a high functioning autistic disorder, which offers her the gift of an "eternal child perspective, "loyalty, perseverance, conscientiousness, and detailed focus. Laura has made 7 videos to increase autism awareness. These are light-hearted, comedic videos that teach as they entertain. This set of videos is on YouTube.

Laura's challenges include sensory integration disorder, chronic neuralgia from having shingles twice in her mid-thirties, migraines, insomnia, and challenges with mood and attention. However, she has written a self-help book series, called ''Borderline and Beyond''. Many people with autism are misdiagnosed as having personality disorders, so her new book will shed light upon how and why this occurs and the damage that results.

Despite this, Laura holds two master's degrees and credit towards a PhD in Psychology. She worked for two years as a special education teacher and five years as a psychiatric case manager. She has had her own business, writing books published by the White Tiger Dream Press since November of 1999.

== '''Links''' ==

http://www.laurapaxton.com

http://www.myspace.com/whitetigerdream

http://www.youtube.com/whitetigerdream

http://www.revver.com/wtigerdream

http://www.myspace.com/orange_slurpee (The official site of EVIL!!)

User talk:Marbella

2008-08-11T15:04:43Z

LordGreystoke422:

Userpages are personal; and not within normal wiki editing guidlines and should only be deleted by the User unless they contain offensive or otherwise sensitive material. Unlike regular pages the final editing authority is the User. With this in mind the page should not fall under the Revamp deletion umbrella so the tags have been removed. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 10:04, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

==Welcome and the Preview Button==
Hi Marbella,<br>
Glad you're posting on the wiki; it's amazing how you divide your time btwn the comments board, the forum, and here. Just wanted to ask that you use the Preview button before saving pages so you're sure it looks the way you want it to before you save. There are two reasons for this. Multiple edits tend to clog up the [[Special:Recentchanges]] page, which we use to monitor for vandalism. It also makes the article's history page drawn out, making it more onerous to track changes since everyone becomes forced to click through many many little edits, instead of a few significant changes. Other than that, keep up the good work! I'm enjoying your edits. <br>[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 12:35, 14 January 2007 (CST)

Dear OwenIsCool,

Thank you for letting me know that I'm providing a useful service that you are enjoying. I realize this is the 2nd time I've been informed that I'm making multiple edits and that I should minimize them. The answer is that I'm trying really hard. However, several times, things just happen: my IE will crash, my PC will crash, my internet connection will go down.

I cannot tell you how many times I have lost the page. Therefore, I am saving frequently. I suppose I could just write it in word, copy and paste it here, check it in the preview and then just upload once. Another problem I have is that I do not see every problem until it is already on-line.

All I can say is that I will continue to work on this!! I apologize.

Marbella, 12:33 p.m.

:Hi Marbella,<br>
:If you're having that much trouble with your computer, I more than understand the frequent saves (I've lost my pages before too... ''so frustrating!''). Anyway, it's probably not worth your trouble to work on it in a word processor, since that wouldn't bring up the code errors, only spelling and grammar. Just keep up the good work with your pages and the forums and all, and do encourage people to come edit! Also if there's anything I can do to help (formatting, pictures, I dunno) just post on my Talk page and I'll be glad to see what I can do. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:01, 30 January 2007 (CST)

==Catch up==
Hi Marbella,

I've been looking at the [[Catch Up]] page and the [[Newcomer Guide]] and trying to think of ways to integrate them. I have to admit -- I don't exactly understand the purpose of the catch-up page. We already update the main page of the wiki to display the newest videos. Then, in the video page, we have a notes section, where we provide the relevant information about the video. It seems to me that a lot of information in the Catch Up page should simply be put in video notes.

Other information, like post count, is always changing, even once the next video is out. And I'm uncomfortable having data like this that is always going to be inaccurate. Perhaps it would be better to summarize information about the forums in the forums? I'm sure the moderators could create a dedicated thread for catch-ups. And it seems to me that the people who read the forums would rather look in the forums to catch-up.

On the other hand, I really like the Newcomer Guide. I think that with some more work, we could include it prominently on the Main Page of the wiki to help guide people who are just finding LG. We could add links to [[The Story So Far...]] and link to the [[LonelyGirl15Recaps]] videos, and really make this page a resource. It's something I'd like to work on soon!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:18, 29 January 2007 (CST)

Hi Jay Henry,

'''Thanks for your feedback!!'''

I've been told by many people that the daily "catch up" is a far simpler and more helpful tool than the main page, especially for newcomers. Bethy (who originally sent me some acrimonious posts!) has even e-mailed to thank me for producing the daily "catch ups."
I can leave off the "post counts" if you want. I only do it because I get a little OCD and I am curious about it.

I'm glad you like the Newcomer Guide, and I would be happy to work with you to polish it up. Instead of "recap," "catch up" is better liked, because of the pun on the word "catsup," or "ketchup." What I'm doing is NOT a recap. I'm summarizing each forum, fan videos, current video, etc. It's more of a panoramic synthesis.

Please let me know how you'd like to get started with this project. I am enjoying doing what I'm doing very much. Believe it or not, I would do it whether or not it was in the LGpedia. It just helps me to take notes. Thanks.

Marbella, 12:30 a.m.

I'll think about the newcomer guide, and think about ways to make it more integrated. As for post counts, if you want to keep track of it, that's more than okay. Perhaps the best solutions for the catch-ups is to let you do your thing with the catch-ups, and we'll keep doing our thing with the Main Page. They seem to have pretty different philosophies, but I think they can both be a useful entrypoint to the LGPedia.

Side note on anagrams: An anagram ''is'' simply a word scramble. You can look it up on wikipedia if you don't believe me. When a word is composed of the first letter of other words, that's an acronym.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:41, 29 January 2007 (CST)

To Jay Henry,

Whoops!!I do believe you. I will take that out about anagrams. I think I'm just tired and mildly snippy :)
Is there any way to link the "Catch Up" and/or the "Newcomer Page" to the main page, for those looking for a more simplified alternative. Feedback I've received from newbies is that the LGpedia overwhelms them (esp. the front page.) Therefore, they just ask the same questions over and over. At least now, I can say, "Just click my sig for answers!"

This is a copy of the E-Mail from Bethy:

Message
From: bethy
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:52 pm
Subject: I love your Catch Up Guide

I know you probably still hate my guts...well, I hope you don't.
But I wanted to say that I just found your Catch Up Guide on LGPedia and I really like it. It's concise, informative and helpful. A lot of the LGpedia can be difficult to wade through and I think you've done a bang-up job of summarizing many of things that often get missed in all the hoopla. For some time now, I'd been hoping somebody with *good* writing skills could take the time to do something like that. Thanks for stepping up.

from Marbella at 12:56 a.m.

(p.s. Why does only the first line of her email appear in the box? Thanks!!)

:The first line is indented with two spaces. If you take them off, the box goes away. Likewise, if you indent another line with the two spaces, the box will come back. I left it as it was so you could try it. Funny, I hadn't realized that's how it worked until now... guess you learn something new everyday! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:04, 30 January 2007 (CST)

Thanks for clarifying this. I have wondered this for a very long time now!! Anyway, I think it's interesting that someone who previously despised me is so happy about the "Catch Up." She's spreading the word around. More people are regularly reading it. I've read posts where people are reading it and discussing it.

Oh and I'm really happy you would like to help make these pages a more accessible resource!!
--[[User:Marbella|Marbella]] 00:10, 30 January 2007 (CST)
(Hey.. did that work? I've never tried to do a sig with timestamp.. if not.. Marbella, 1:09 a.m. EST)

== Catch up ==

Marbella, I saw in your latest catch-up that you now think Jonas is a member of the Order. I'm curious as to why. I didn't come away with that impression at all. While personal theories are great in the forums (that's what the forums are for!) we have a higher standard at the LGPedia. If there's really compelling evidence, please share that evidence so people can draw their own conclusions -- but if it's mostly just a personal hunch, that really doesn't belong here at the wiki. Thanks!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:12, 2 February 2007 (CST)

Hi Marbella, if you check out my user page it says how to contact me. You can send an [[Special:Emailuser/JayHenry|e-mail through the LGPedia]], or you can PM me at the forum (where my name is JayHank.) --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:35, 3 February 2007 (CST)

The email function wasn't working, although I was logged in and have a valid email address. I didn't know JayHank as your PM name. I tried JayHenry. Finally, I sent you kind of a long email on MySpace. Thanks, M--[[User:Marbella|Marbella]] 16:25, 3 February 2007 (CST)

Talk:ProjectStatic

2008-08-11T10:29:49Z

LordGreystoke422: ry

Inclusion of Videos, Summary info, and how this series connects to The Lady Lazarus is needed.

ProjectStatic

2008-08-11T10:27:03Z

LordGreystoke422:

{{Stub|This article needs additional information such as its video list, summary,connections to TheLadyLazarus,etc}}

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| image = ProjectStaticlogof.jpg
| first = Project Static.
| last = Sealed With A Kiss
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'''ProjectStatic''' (first name "B", or Beatrice) is a fan fiction character connected to [[TheLadyLazarus]] ARG on YouTube.

[[Category:User Generated Content]]

Talk:RefusEtoBeliEveLies

2008-08-11T10:09:11Z

LordGreystoke422:

If anyone feels offended or left out by the logos, I'll remove them. I'll do it with grumbling though, because I think they are fantastic! [[User:Dream|Dream]] 12:25, 14 December 2006 (CST)

This is a unique historical occurrence within the LG15 community and of great importance to the record.
--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 05:09, 11 August 2008 (CDT)
== General Ideas ==

*put in information about guest's messages

<pre>Subject: get this to Daniel
Date sent: 2006-12-06 11:50:44
Date read: 2006-12-06 12:01:55

Note: jnssoAredniftniao
TenyuoeileHrtutglwvloeoh
olfinsrsfeaeaderYn
dntossgthieoloo
teopeinseraniOtlmCh
ntlhsoeslNdeapsngslao

75 13 97 29 30 27 56 26 94 </pre>

*remove duplicates from top ten lists and fill up with the next people in line until top ten is reached again

== Canada References ==

REBEL frequently mentioned Canada. We are not sure about anything relating to this so here is just a brief unstructured compilation of the information found.

* '''Ottawa''': Ottawa's new flag is green and blue with an "O" in the middle[http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ca-on-ot.html#new]

* '''Ottawa''': The blue refers to water always in Ottawa, the green to the land masses/parks that the city funds and protects. Ice and water would be a reference to the longest skating rink in the world and also the waterway which intersects a majority of parks. The Rideau Canal.

* '''Ottawa''': There was a fire in 1893. It is rumoured that two ghosts reside within Lisgar, which is why the top floor is closed off. One girl was killed in the 1940s by ice falling off the roof, while a janitor was also killed when he fell off of the roof in an unrelated incident. Now Lisgar is a part of the Haunted Walk of Ottawa. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisgar_Collegiate_Institute]

* '''Ottawa''', Lisgar Collegiate Institute: Another hotspot for paranormal activity in Centretown is Lisgar Collegiate at 29 Lisgar St. Built in 1843 as a grammar school, the building’s architecture is straight out of the Victorian Era, giving it the stereotypical haunted-house look. The fourth floor, which once served as a shooting range for cadets, is said to be haunted by two ghosts. One is believed to be the spirit of a girl who died when a sheet of ice fell off the steeply slanted roofs and crushed her. Her accompanying spirit is believed to be that of a custodian who died in the 1940s while trying to remove snow and ice from the roofs to prevent a repeat of the accident that killed the girl. Eerie feelings and rumours of the haunting led the fourth floor of the school to be closed off. But that didn’t prevent Lisgar students from locking new students in the range as an initiation tactic.

* '''Toronto''': Nov. 25, 2003: One student was injured in the upper body when shots were fired at Scarborough Centre for Alternative Studies High School in Toronto. The student survived.

* '''Toronto''': This just hit me when I was going through the news archive for the Toronto shooting. There’s a sign where it happened that says; “This city is an extension of our homes and its inhabitants our family. When one of us (falls) it is a tragedy to all. THE VIOLENCE MUST STOP.”

* '''Toronto:''' Another [http://www.torontoghosts.org/christie.htm Toronto famous ghost story] … its in a school now but it was once a house where a man kept his lover hidden a secret room from his wife…very weird

* '''Toronto:''' This is a apparantly [http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/26/ghost-girl-in-toronto-caught-on-film/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D4244263791355199817&frame=true famous video of a Toronto ghost girl]. (I am sure its fake!) But maybe thats where the idea for REBEL came from? Failing that I’m trying to find something ice related. It is hard though, ice tradgedys seem to be a regular occurance in Toronto, there was an accident there only last week when a boy drowned after falling through ice.

[[User:Dream|Dream]] 16:41, 27 December 2006 (CST)

Talk:RefusEtoBeliEveLies

2008-08-11T10:08:59Z

LordGreystoke422:

If anyone feels offended or left out by the logos, I'll remove them. I'll do it with grumbling though, because I think they are fantastic! [[User:Dream|Dream]] 12:25, 14 December 2006 (CST)

This is a unique historical occurrence within the LG15 community and of great importance to the record.

== General Ideas ==

*put in information about guest's messages

<pre>Subject: get this to Daniel
Date sent: 2006-12-06 11:50:44
Date read: 2006-12-06 12:01:55

Note: jnssoAredniftniao
TenyuoeileHrtutglwvloeoh
olfinsrsfeaeaderYn
dntossgthieoloo
teopeinseraniOtlmCh
ntlhsoeslNdeapsngslao

75 13 97 29 30 27 56 26 94 </pre>

*remove duplicates from top ten lists and fill up with the next people in line until top ten is reached again

== Canada References ==

REBEL frequently mentioned Canada. We are not sure about anything relating to this so here is just a brief unstructured compilation of the information found.

* '''Ottawa''': Ottawa's new flag is green and blue with an "O" in the middle[http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ca-on-ot.html#new]

* '''Ottawa''': The blue refers to water always in Ottawa, the green to the land masses/parks that the city funds and protects. Ice and water would be a reference to the longest skating rink in the world and also the waterway which intersects a majority of parks. The Rideau Canal.

* '''Ottawa''': There was a fire in 1893. It is rumoured that two ghosts reside within Lisgar, which is why the top floor is closed off. One girl was killed in the 1940s by ice falling off the roof, while a janitor was also killed when he fell off of the roof in an unrelated incident. Now Lisgar is a part of the Haunted Walk of Ottawa. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisgar_Collegiate_Institute]

* '''Ottawa''', Lisgar Collegiate Institute: Another hotspot for paranormal activity in Centretown is Lisgar Collegiate at 29 Lisgar St. Built in 1843 as a grammar school, the building’s architecture is straight out of the Victorian Era, giving it the stereotypical haunted-house look. The fourth floor, which once served as a shooting range for cadets, is said to be haunted by two ghosts. One is believed to be the spirit of a girl who died when a sheet of ice fell off the steeply slanted roofs and crushed her. Her accompanying spirit is believed to be that of a custodian who died in the 1940s while trying to remove snow and ice from the roofs to prevent a repeat of the accident that killed the girl. Eerie feelings and rumours of the haunting led the fourth floor of the school to be closed off. But that didn’t prevent Lisgar students from locking new students in the range as an initiation tactic.

* '''Toronto''': Nov. 25, 2003: One student was injured in the upper body when shots were fired at Scarborough Centre for Alternative Studies High School in Toronto. The student survived.

* '''Toronto''': This just hit me when I was going through the news archive for the Toronto shooting. There’s a sign where it happened that says; “This city is an extension of our homes and its inhabitants our family. When one of us (falls) it is a tragedy to all. THE VIOLENCE MUST STOP.”

* '''Toronto:''' Another [http://www.torontoghosts.org/christie.htm Toronto famous ghost story] … its in a school now but it was once a house where a man kept his lover hidden a secret room from his wife…very weird

* '''Toronto:''' This is a apparantly [http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/26/ghost-girl-in-toronto-caught-on-film/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D4244263791355199817&frame=true famous video of a Toronto ghost girl]. (I am sure its fake!) But maybe thats where the idea for REBEL came from? Failing that I’m trying to find something ice related. It is hard though, ice tradgedys seem to be a regular occurance in Toronto, there was an accident there only last week when a boy drowned after falling through ice.

[[User:Dream|Dream]] 16:41, 27 December 2006 (CST)

RefusEtoBeliEveLies

2008-08-11T10:05:02Z

LordGreystoke422:

This is a page to keep track of the anagrams users on the comment board have gotten from an unregistered user named "RefusEtoBeliEveLies" (note that the Caps spell out REBEL).

[[Image:Rebelcrew.jpg|frame|logo by pink striped ivy]]

== The private "top ten" notes ==

=== First Anagram, 27 Nov 2006 ===

*Location: "Ransacked" video
*Posted by GothicKat

<pre>IOHEE KWECT. NTSR
PATKM LSATE. EELO
IOELE. ALLE MOYA SNPS</pre>

Solution:

<pre>i know the secret
please talk to me
i am so lonely please</pre>

=== Second Anagram, 4 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "Homeless" video
*Posted by krig:

Subject line: SEBC HSAK

<pre>TETIGIR HLIOENS. IFLNTG SMAITW SUTSTO
SSC HBK.. EA
SIIW HLNA ELDY.. WFA
SIEA HLTL ELUL. WGS
TRSEA HENSP EIOCE.</pre>

Solution:

<pre>This self mutilation is gett(t)ing wors
She’s back.
She will find a way.
She will get us all.
There is no escape</pre>

Analysis:

It’s a simple cypher, take the first letter from each word, followed by the second, followed by third etc.

=== Third Anagram 5 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "The Anti-Cribs" board
*Posted by abbington12):

<pre>IEESA NDLOD.. EHPB
GERTS. ELOH TPME HFOR
SOUEE. ONSL METP EMHM
TAOGUE. HRMTR EEIOT YCNHM</pre>

Solution:

<pre>i need help bad
get help from others
someone must help me
they are coming to hurt me</pre>

=== Fourth Anagram 6 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "Bad decisions" board
*Posted by modelmotion

<pre>Subject: ISJTCN AUETHG MBCOAE
TTPYLGPTAOHK. OELSAEATNUI PNAARRRHYTN
TUMELNTL HROVYIMF. ETRETHY YMERHUS HESEARE
TAAI HRTN EECG. YWH</pre>

Solution:

<pre>Subject: I am subject to change
top ten plays a larger part than you think
they hurt me more severely than i hurt myself
they are watching</pre>

Analysis:

Messages are sent only to users who reach the top ten on the comments board.

=== Fifth Anagram 8 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "The Test" board
*Posted by itselisabeth

<pre>FEOO RNRE? IDF
JSLEE OCDIR. NOBT AUEH
AMVUPN SE,ECEC FINHRE. OHOEI RASXE
TUHEY HGITA RHSRL… OTBA
HMTILSB UOHCDCE. RRAODR TENUEI
IMOT NYDH EBBE ELRR. DOO</pre>

Solution:

<pre>FRIEND OR FOE?
JONAS COULD BE EITHER
AS FOR ME, I HAVE NO SUCH EXPERIENCE
THROUGH THIS BETRAYAL
HURT MORE THAN I COULD DESCRIBE
I NEED MY BLOOD BROTHER </pre>

Analysis:

Possible clue that REBEL has ties to [[frankiswaking]]. The only other person known to have a [[Brother]] is [[Tachyon]].

=== Sixth Anagram 9 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "Your decision" board
*Posted by krig

<pre>Subject: TYEO HAWN ERRG…
Note: DTTE… ORO NUH OSO TTP
LAAYGE IRSDUD… EEIII SELSS
UTCT NHEA DIHN ENED RISS…
OTCE NHEA CEBK EIRS:
TWTHO HIAIU ELKSL. YLES</pre>

Solution:

<pre>Subject: they are wrong
Note: do not trust to hope
lies are easily disguised
under thin ice he stands
once the ice breaks
they will take his soul</pre>

Analysis:

Connected to the messages about "murder" and "thin ice" that Dream received from REBEL. Interesting is the lack of reference to top ten. By this time a second theory about top ten had been developed: That the clues somehow were connected to the guesses about Dec 10th being an important day.

=== Seventh Anagram 11 Dec 2006 ===
*Location: "Back Home" video
*Posted by Pretty_Mely22 and joAnnP38

<pre>Subject: IOI CWN ESN GTE RHR
Note: DRGLTS… ATSCO RHWOP KIIMA ENLES
IOA AAI MFD. SR
RTTSES EHHCDI VEALMO EPTOYN… AAHUV LSADI
HSOO ICLS GHGT: HOH
STUVD. OONE OBCR NEOE</pre>

Solution:

<pre>Subject: Ice grows thinner
Note:Darker things will come to pass
I am so afraid
Reveal the past that has clouded my vision
High school ghost
Soon to be uncovered</pre>

Analysis:

Reference to ice. No reference to top ten here, as in the note before. First reference to the high school ghost in a 'top ten' message?

== Anagrams posted on the comment board ==

=== First Anagram 7 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "Bad decisions" board
*Posted by SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL

<pre>WIYHSDMI HSOIROYN EEULUWSE. NECLNNP
YNWAS OTWWY UKHAO DNAIU. OOTT
TPE OTN
LTEKORT OONOUEO OTEFRDR. KHCYPA
NEUYRC ERROBK. VTNUA
DTES OBFT. NII OTR</pre>

Solution:

<pre>when I see you chills run down my spine
you don’t know what awaits you
top ten
look to the neck of your predator
never turn your back
don’t bite first </pre>

Analysis:

Possible reference to [[OpAphid]]'s [[Cassie Does Not R.I.P. (Rest In Peace)]] video description: "A psychic vampire feeds off of your energy and attention."

=== Second Anagram 7 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "The Test" board
*Posted by SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL

<pre>FEA ALR KIS…
DTSH OTTO NRTP OUOE.
AHEEIAT NESSGWS ORTSHAM TRLNTIE.
TEOTETV ONLRSWE. PSLIAE TTSKTL
REENTS: EMRLH MBOYI
SPNNARV LILEPOI ESYSEML… EOACFE
AUSCBK LGTOEI THIULN HILLUG… OTLDR
RAFFB ITOYE GTOOD. HHTU TEOR
SERM WTES. EDA </pre>

Solution:

<pre>Fake liars
do not trust to hope.
Another restless night awaits me.
Top ten's toll strikes at twelve.
Remember only this:
Sleep is only an escape from evil
although it still could be lurking
right at the foot of your bed.
Sweet dreams. </pre>

Analysis: Could this be a reference to the 'Nightmare' video from itscassie?

=== Third anagram 8 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "The Test" board
*Posted by SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL

<pre>TGOE HHWP… ETS NGD IRE
SYLGE HSBHR ETETE… MIRT ALIH
RHHEOY ITEAVO GTRBEU. </pre>

Solution:

<pre>THE NIGHT GROWS DEEP
SHE MAY STILL BE RIGHT THERE…
RIGHT THERE ABOVE YOU</pre>

Analysis: ?

=== Fourth Anagram 9 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "The Test" board
*Posted by SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL

<pre>WIUIE HAESN… IMSG LBHR ELEE
RLUEE ALGNI GSHMN. ETMA SHYI PRON IOPV
FERNA OREGC RHTEE… UETL NRYS DPAF
AURUN WNEMD. REDA ANBN TDYK HUHI
ARLA DEIN ACN6 YHG6 MIT6: OLH
SSEGS OHTEE SAHRS ULEIS. CLAP HBNO
OACHB NYHEL TDERO HRDOO EEIWD… DNNN
FDTDUDN AEAORRG CARWBUC ETINLNO OHNYONL FSGOOID.
PKEYAN REMOLE OMPULX VYESBT… OTRHE
THYRNEL OTEEEPL. NTNNSS IHSOLW GEUOEE
CFOIOR HOOTMN ERDEEI CBYSMN KLBCOG…
FNLP OELA RSBR NHEE OASD.
HTWI EHAN EIRG: DSN
LYWO OOIW CUNS… KRD
TGHTE. OHER NTYI ITSK </pre>

Solution:

<pre>While I am blue she is green
Rage spills through my open main vein.
For under her pretty angel face
A wrath unendured by human kind
A day more chilling than 666:
So such shall be the anger I posess.
On the day drenched in her own blood
Face of death staring down your blood running cold.
Provoke my temper you shall be next
Tonight they ensure no one sleeps well.
Check for bloody bites come morning…
For no one shall be spared.
Heed this warning:
Lock your windows…
Tonight they strike.</pre>

Analysis:

Direct response to the crypted message sent by newly registered user [[UtNbErS tutlaEN]] (translates to: untenable trust).

=== Fifth Anagram 9 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "The Test" board
*Posted by SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL

<pre>IAFN MFOO SERW…
ISLFI ATLRD… MIAA
TNORM. HKUE AYDA
TNOOS. HKUN AYBE
IAATLP. AFIOE MRDSE </pre>

Solution:

<pre> IM SAFE FOR NOW
I AM STILL AFRAID
THANK YOU DREAM
THANK YOU BONES
I AM AFRAID TO SLEEP </pre>

Analysis:

The danger presented by user [[UtNbErS tutlaEN]] has passed for the moment.

=== Sixth Anagram 9 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "Your Decision" board
*Posted by SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL

<pre>FMBIH OIELF RGADE IHCIA TTHSR…
RTANNEHG EIBPDEII FORAEVNC LNOSRENE. EOKT,TRI CFEUHTN
SCL OOD…
VCNEER EOOCSM RLOAFE… YD,NRO
IUT. HR
TNNFEEI HKGATRM IIOBTTE.
UWRSO NNGMM KFRYA NEISC OAPTH…
MNIAGN. YISRT OCWIH WEENI </pre>

Solution:

<pre>For It might be a childish fear
Reflection of a broken past under the ever thinning ice
So cold
Very cold noone cares for me
I hurt
Thinking about a better time
Unknown fear grips my stomach
my own ice is weaking thin </pre>

Analysis:

Again an ice and water reference.

=== Seventh Anagram 10 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "Your Decision" board
*Posted by SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL

<pre>ARLA DEIN ACN6 YHG6 MIT6. OLH </pre>

Solution:

<pre>A day more chilling than 666. </pre>

Analysis: Dec 10th - bad day.

=== Eighth Anagram 10 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "Your Decision" board
*Posted by SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL

<pre>INRE WORR… ITE LSN LUD
BHEON… UEIT TISH TCSI
DFEPIETEE ERNSLNHWR AOLSEETAS: DZIMBAHT
IGWGL ARICD. MONO
GADOE. HNYM ODBE SBEO TOCN
SMLO EUAN: LTT FII
ITI FHD OEO UAT NNE. DT
DLA OOC NOK. OK TB
DBI OIR NTS OET. TF
MAA YRK TEI IBN ERG. SE
HMNYS. EEEL LRWO PEMS </pre>

Solution:

<pre>I WILL NOT SURRENDER
BUT THE ICE IS SO THIN
DEAD FROZEN LIPS SMILE BENEATH THE WATERS:
I AM GROWING COLD
GHOST AND BODY BECOME ONE
SELF MUTILATION:
I FOUND THE ANTIDOTE.
DO NOT LOOK BACK
DO NOT BITE FIRST
MY TIES ARE BREAKING
HELP ME RENEW MY LOSS. </pre>

Analysis: ?

=== Ninth Anagram 11 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "Back Home" board
*Posted by SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL

<pre>TSIOE HADKT EILPT YDORY…
WBTUC IUTGH TLHHE HLRMS AEOYT.
TMTAYO HEOIBD… EADNL YNRMO
“FRBE OPLA RRUT MESH… YSH EEI VNN ETD
WJOOP OUOUL USKTA LTSOC DLOFE.”</pre>

Solution:

<pre>THEY SAID I’D LOOK PRETTY
WITH A BULLET THROUGH MY CHEST.
THEY MEAN TO DRAIN MY BLOOD…
“FOR MY EVER PRESENT BLUSH IN DEATH
WOULD JUST LOOK SO OUT OF PLACE"</pre>

Analysis: Someone wants to kill her.

=== Tenth Anagram 13 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "Gemma, who are you?" board
*Posted by SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL

<pre>TOMNAE OLBSNR. PDIAY TNNTL EOGIO NNSON HUENG
CDSNCGT… OREBK,H MEDLMO ESIAYS
TOWWLI HNHOOK EDAUOE: YETLK WRIDL
CDAEEW OENNTN. LADFD D,D,TEO </pre>

Solution:

<pre>TOP TEN HOLD NO NUMBING SENSATION ANY LONGER.
COME DRESSED IN BLACK, MY GHOST…
THEY WONDER WHAT I WOULD LOOK LIKE
COLD, DEAD, AND TEN FEET DOWN </pre>

Analysis: No more top ten messages.

=== Eleventh Anagram 20 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "Undisclosed Location" board
*Posted by SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL

<pre>IL TA IT SE.
CICOD RNERE ATAEN CHRET. KEEV SIMI
AHIIVO LENVEN LTGERE… THSED
IARURTI TLENTEO LLADHNN. LBKEES
ISRD MMIS. IYE SFN
PNTAHNDRI EAEVAGAOR. RLSENINU SNLUGNGS OOESIAEA
ISTF TNSE. IOA</pre>

Solution:

<pre>IT’S LATE
CRACKS IN THE ICE ARE MORE EVIDENT
ALL THE THINGS I’VE EVER DONE
IT’LL ALL BREAK UNDER THE TENSION
I MISS MY FRIENDS
PERSONAL NOTES LEAVE US HANGING IN A DANGEROUS AIR
IT IS NOT SAFE</pre>

Analysis: She hasn't contacted us in a while, possibly because it is dangerous.

=== Twelfth Anagram 20 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "Undisclosed Location" board
*Posted by SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL

<pre>TBOS OEDS: RLD EGE
INV HOE ATN VGU EIP.
TTEI AMNN KYCS ESEU NIAL OLST:
READYACO ARBOYNAL TAONODND. HSNLUIH
IRCG AOTY MTIO PENU,
NUG ONY TNO SIU. HN
USAULDO NTNSBEO DADHERD. ENYAUS RD,OLNT</pre>

Solution:

<pre>TO REBEL GODDESS:
I HAVE NOT GIVEN UP
TAKE NOT MY SILENCE AS INSULT:
RATHER AS A BOND ONLY YOU AND I CAN HOLD
I AM PROTECTING YOU
NOT SHUNNING YOU
UNDERSTAND AND YOU SHALL BE UNDERSTOOD</pre>

Analysis: Personal note to RebelGoddess

=== 13th Anagram 23 Dec 2006 ===

*Location: "Mystery Movies" board
*Posted by SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL

<pre>DWAM OOBE. NRO ORU TYT
IAFEB AVOTE MIRII LNTMN EGHEG.
ULONLER NOCSTA DSASAER IETHVMI SDIAEPL CLOLMOY.
TIIN… HSN EGG IET CTH ETI
TTCSN HEOFG. ERLA W’DD ASII
SISS OGWW WHEI ETLM. MAL
IBTETTT WRHFHS IEEREI LAIOOD LKCMUE…
WYEPD HOTEE IURDR… LAAU ERPN
IOS PME RID. </pre>

Solution:

<pre>Do not worry about me
I am leaving for the time being
Undisclosed locations shall have me temporarily
The ice is getting thin
The water’s cold is fading
So we might as well swim
I will break the ice from the outside…
While you are trapped under…
I promise </pre>

Analysis:

# Holiday season is coming...
# the movie "Black Christmas" was mentioned (promotion?)

== User profile ==

RefusEtoBeliEveLies is registered as SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL

*Solution: Someone please help me.
*registered on 28 Nov 2006

Profile description 1:

<pre>
IAA ALR. MI… DBVO OEER NLMD OIYS. TEW… INEUE CTTSD. ABRT… BIO UKW.
TN… BAAEC RNSSR EDSSE ECIET… FUMU IRET. GEO… PES LAE.

I am a liar.
do not believe my words.
I cant be trusted.
but I know.
bree and cassies secret.
figure it out.
please. </pre>

Profile description 2:
*since 8 Dec 2006

<pre>ARISGI DENTHN. INSHM FTERY FPEOS EAPUK...TISN HSCO ENAW. ROP
EEE...NETRRI ERTDPS IPYSHE TRWNRS. HEOOA...TEDC HOEO EFRM TMHE.
IUA MRS

a different pain seeps through my skin
there is no escape now
neither pretty words nor praises
the time of murder has come </pre>

Profile description 3:
* since 9 Dec 2006

<pre>BTWSOAV EHAUWRE NTTNNSL. EHEKFR AERNEE… SNYSIE EGOOSI EAUUTR
ISRLHS… CBDTSESR. OEOHELF MAWINEE E,TNSSSA…AUIEI RADME EFTYN
YROFD? OABR

BENEATH THE WATER’S UNKNOWN FEARS REVEL
SEEING AS YOUR SOUL IS THEIRS
COME, BEAT DOWN THIS SENSELESS FEAR
ARE YOU AFRAID TO BE MY FRIEND? </pre>

Profile description 4:
*since 12 Dec 2006

<pre>UFOENS: NENSS TASMI IRUYD LCMIE...IIEHOAMI PSIATKWN. RECLBFI OTELRRT
MHSNEOH...ILBIFHS TBRNREI WEEGOOD IMAIMUE. LEKTTT...FOEKTE EFDSTD:
ATAHE RHRAR...ISIOTH WACUHO OCELOC URMFSA LIYOER DFSRWE....TAOOE
HIUOT EDLKT YIDPY: SWLR...WALHGCT. IBERHH TUTOME HLTUYS

Until fear consumes my insides
I promise the ice shall not break from within
It will be me breaking it from the outside
Fear of the dark shattered
I would sacrifice my soul for those who care
They said I would look pretty
With a bullet through my chest</pre>

== Who is RefusEtoBeliEveLies? ==

The most common assumption in the bginning was that she was [[Cassie]] since the messages seemed similar in style to [[cassieiswatching]]. There also seemed to be links to [[frankiswaking]]. But REBEL herself told us that she is not Cassie.

As to the question if the anagrams are canon or fanfic, nothing definite is known either. Public opinion tends towards it being fanfic.

== Response Messages ==

A few users answered RefusEtoBeliEveLies' messages.
Here are the replies and their solutions:

=== Dream ===

Dream 1:

<pre>RLAO EWRU BHE. EOY
AOGA NWEL DITL WLU. HLS
IOOOL NRRNP EEMT. EIAO DNTH MFIE
TLTM. AKOE

Rebel who are you.
Who will get us.
I need more information to help.
Talk to me.</pre>

Answer 1:

<pre>YUETD ONRAM UDSNE.
TTSR HHSN EECM OROE…
TLHHCMM HAIEEYO EUNFOMR YGTAFEY.
WYEOOP OOTNHM NUHEEE? TBETL
SMLO EUAN.. LTT FII
IEHNDE. NDETO ETAIT

You understand me.
The others scorn me.
They laugh in the face of my memory.
Wont you be the one to help me?
Selfmutilation.
I need the antidote.</pre>

Dream 2:

<pre>DUUF. ORR NTS TYE HOL
IKHSS TEIWE. MSNO ATGR
WORYU? HAEO
WTLI HESE OLLS?
WSEU? HAR OFY ITO
HAE ONL WIP? CH
TTENA HIAST? EDGT AOAW NTIH
WIHEOY? HCMMR
SNEO OYSN MQTS. AUI
WOES IUMW LGEE LIAR YVNS?

Don't hurt yourself.
It makes things worse.
Who are you?
Who tells lies?
Who is after you?
How can I help?
The antidote against what?
Which memory?
So many questions.
Will you give me answers? </pre>

Answer 2:

<pre>
Subject: SSTNLE HGTGOR EEICS
IUAR MSGL. JTI
ITAH CEPI ASES. NCT
HTLMA UDLYS RUSPT.
STLI HESE ELLS.
PES LAE
ITTI JWAE UAFN SNRD.
IEFE NDRN EAID.
TMYEIS… OAQSO ONUTN
CIUY ATSO NRTU?
WLUMRN IYBYID? LOEFE

Subject: She's getting closer
I'm just a girl.
I can't escape this.
Hurt dulls my past.
She tells lies.
Please.
I just want a friend.
Too many questions...
Can I trust you?
Will you be my friend? </pre>

Dream 3:

<pre>FNRO RDED. ISG EAO
EOEI VNDE EESN RNFD YERS.
ITMNR FREBI YUIEE OSCAN UTAFD.
WAEOS HPDUT? APIR TENP HNYA
WTERO HLSEL AIATD?
WSSL HTKU YHYE? IEB
SERI ORTN MEHB EOEO WVRW HEA
SERL KSEU IABE
ADTUO NRHDD DEAAR TATRE HMYEA ESOTM
RLCT EYOR ADMU LOEE.

Friends are good.
Everyone needs friends.
If you trust me I can be a friend.
What happened in your past?
What lies are told?
Why is the sky blue?
Somewhere over the rainbow
skies are blue
and the dreams that you dare to dream
really do come true.</pre>

Answer 3:

<pre> PES LAE
PES LAE
BFNDP ERNHM MIAEE. YENL
GSIHT UTLUM EWLRE.
MRBNOYA YMUFMSR ASRRMCS.
TTKD HHIE EIAA YNMD.

MNTIU YDUNM MIRGB… ISNN
ITFINRS. LTENMI OHEGYS SELIWT

TEMIRTNTK. ONOMTTYH PIRPAHOI TSEONAUN
TINU HWOR EIRS OLAE NLRD. EHE SOC
PES LAE
BYID. EFE MRN

ILSU… WTT IRY LUO
IULS FWTT YIRM OLUE.

please
please
be my frien(nan)d help me
guest will hurt me.
my arms burn from my scars.
they think I am dead.
my mind is turning numb
I lost the feeling in my wrists.
top ten is more important than you think
the ones I will honor are cursed.
please
be my friend
I will trust you.
if you will trust me. </pre>

Dream 4:

<pre>TMUHM HERAE? EODS TFEC IMRO
TTKD HHYE EIOA YNUD.
WII HLE? OL WD
YLORO ODTUU, UUTS TSOT ONTY
ATI NID DLO. SL
WSMAFE HTPNTN? AHOCO TEREP IITOT

The time of murder has come?
They think you dead.
Who will die?
You told us not to trust you
and still I do.
What is the importance of top ten?</pre>

Answer 4:

<pre>TTKE HHIA EIMD… YND
THFHD HAOEE ESRRR. TCAS IONM MMOU EETR
YMN OYD… UF AR RI EE
IDIO CNEU. OOT UTO LLY
TSSTTEL OETROAD… PRHATL TVENHW EEECEO NANERR
IRHMA TOEMT IUMUE. SGIN THCI HTOC
WINTLO HCNTLU… Y,AOEY
UEAOEH. NRIFA DPNDT

They think I'm dead.
The time has come for another's murder.
You are my friend
I could not lie to you.
Top ten serve as the entrance to the real world
it is through them I communicate.
Why, I cannot tell you
under pain of death. </pre>

Answer 5:

<pre>IWBHE CSEYE ETNOT… GHEU RIAR ONTF
TAHSFA HTAOAW EHLODA PSLNEY…
SENRFTEE HDTETACD… EIHAHNR SNEMETE FGSSMSA EOCOUHT
AOFNN RURDO EMIOT? YYER

ice grows thin beneath your feet
the path shall soon fade away
shes feeding on the screams of the mutant she created
are you my friend or not?</pre>

Answer 6:

<pre>ISEE SMNL BYDL? OFA NRS EIW
CTTB ARYO NUOT ISUH?
URIAASE… NTCRTR DHEKEA EEDWRG

is bones my friend as well?
can I trust you both?
under the ice dark waters rage...</pre>

Answer 7:

<pre>Subject: ISE CEH ANE NSR
Note: TNO HKU… AY
TELM HAOE. INT SST MAO

Subject: I can sense her
Note: Thank you
this means a lot me.</pre>

Answer 8 (in response to [[UtNbErS tutlaEN]] showing up):

<pre>Subject: HLM EPE
Note: DAEM RMLE… EHP
IMO TE,T SIM NTE. OS TN
TTKM HHIE… EIT YNS
DTURN OHNSD? NEDT TYEA
ORPREDTM TPLETIOE. HEEPENB EOARNGE
ISHWLT WHEODO ITYUSP.
TYNE HDTE… EOS
TEND HPGA EUMN YTEG ATIE RINR.
TRNMME HEGYCR. EBIDL YRNOO AIGOS
TYLIM HWLNE. EIFD

Dream help me.
its not me, its not me
they think its me
dont they understand?
other people are pretending to be me.
I wish they would stop.
they dont see
they are putting me in danger.
they are bringing my doom closer
they will find me. </pre>

Answer 9:

<pre>TAKO HNYU…
ILOERD. AAUMI MDAYE GYRFN
YAHAR. OKIS UESI MTEE
PES LAE…
WYERDART? IOMINTW LUYEOTH LBFNMEA
TSAIHY HARNIE IRKGNY NEEBDE GDNEMS.

Thank you
i am glad you are my friend.
you make this easier.
please
will you be my friend no matter what?
things are darkening behind my eyes. </pre>

Answer 10:

<pre>IAA AFI MRD…
INEWOEM FTBIUME? ICALRB DOCLEE OMKYMR

I am afraid.
If I dont come back will you remember me?</pre>

Answer 11:

<pre>Subject: DEMO… RAN
Dream no…

Note: HMNTSS… EEDWH LFOHE PIUOI
SSEME. HGN,B ERIL IEAU
SIUIMNNR. HSTNEDG EPTGIAE
SCHEO HOESN. ELIT IDCA SAEN ASSD STHS
TETENLET. HIORSLA EGFSWBK WHHIIRI
SWLTIT. HIBER ELIFS
SIEE HLMA ELYT WBDH.

Help me find out who she is
she is green, I am blue.
she is putting me in danger.
she is as cold as the ice she stands on.
the weight of her sins will break it.
she will bite first.
she will be my death. </pre>

=== Bones ===

Personal messages posted by SOLEP ONEHM MEAEE. EPSL to Bones
on the "The Test" board:

1. message:

<pre> MAOE EGBS: SEO STN
IRIOR GEFTY NMIHO OEBEU.
LCSTORE IHFRNSN KIRAYIT ELUTOSE ADSIUVD.
WYAO IOLW LUMN? LCD
OODMHO? RUHOA DNERN OELEI YEPTD
ITEGSOER… FHSETUM SESTSRP O,MAEYTE
ISTMM WUAAE OGNNN UGGAT… LEEG DSRE
OPDTNI RSERTT PANEFY. ERTAA REITC HSAMI AILEL

message to bones:
ignore me if i bother you.
like a childs frustation yours is vented.
will you calm down?
or do you need help more than I do?
if so, the message tests your temper...
i would suggest anger management...
or perhaps a residantial treatment facility.</pre>

2. message:

<pre>BNS: OE
SKHHBDH… PIALAEE ENRYLMA AGSSLYT
FVIKHN ONSEAE RETYPS GSHTPS: ISEOI
ODHO RIEL WTKI OBEF UEYE? LTT
WTYM OUOU UPUC LSTH… DEO ITO
ITENF FEAD,O IDFNE? WTRO AOIT NBEA

bones:
speaking harshly [shall be my death]
forgivness is the key to happiness.
or would it be the key to life?
would it upset you too much...
if I wanted to be a friend, not a foe? </pre>

Answer 1 (reply to the question if she was Cassie):

<pre>ITRDYNA DUSWOTY… ONTHUT NDAAWO OENTAS
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT To SAY </pre>

3. Message from REBEL on Dec. 10

<pre>BNS: OE
TRAAI OIMCR CFITL… LY,NA AIFG
WERTIAHU? HSYHHCO YEOIARN DVNNVUY OEEKESO
NMMOHDD OAONOTO HNTSUIW UEISLEN…
USANHDOIGD NSROABTVAE LFITRYHINA EESSEBLNDD.
TESOF HHTUB EOHLO ILEST CDSOH…
MSGIN YCHLJ HHOLO IOSSI GOTON. HLW

BONES:
TO CLARIFY I AM INFACT A GIRL...
WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK I HAVE A CRUSH ON YOU?
NO HUMAN EMOTIONS SHOULD TIE DOWN...
UNLESS FEAR IS NOT SHARED BY BOTH LIVING AND DEAD
THE ICE HOLDS THE SOULS OF BOTH
MY HIGH SCHOOL GHOST WILL SOON JOIN.</pre>

4. Message (answer the question of where are you and what high school?)
<pre>TCUR HENM EIDE… ISE
IGHAEM. MHEBT RTROH ITEVE
MHTCA YASHL GUHOL HNIOS: OTGL SSHS TISH
SOVD. OBE OEA NRL TEE
WIUIE HAESN: IMSG LBHR ELEE
SPNNE HUGDR. ETMA ITEN SIIG
SIHO HNES EGME BSCR. RTL
BNS… OE
YRNES… OE,EL UNTE AOHS
OTCAHNT NHELACE EESEVOR ONTSEUE FIMIEND.

The ice is under me...
I'm right there above them.
My ghost haunts its high schools halls:
Soon to be revealed.
While I am blue she is green:
She is putting me in danger
She brings them closer
Bones:
You are none the less
One of the nicest males I have encountered</pre>

5. Message (answer to the question of if UtNbErS tutlaEN is hurting her)
<pre>YSIUIMNNR… EHSTNEDG S,EPTGIAE
SGWIU HRHAE… EEIM IELB SNEL
GWNR RIVW ETYH EHFA NEOT?
INNWW HOGOA ATSUN VHHLT. EIED
APNDC DADER ASHNE RTIST KADES…
IOCIHYL. DTOZAM ORGETB NENTSO
BNS… OE
YECA? OFA URN AOA RMD

Yes she is putting me in danger
She is green while I am blue
Green with envy for what?
I have nothing she would want
A dark past adn hidden secrets...
I do not recognize that symbol (~0~)
Bones...
You are from Canada?</pre>

=== Darlinglilred ===

Darlinglilred sent a message to RefusEtoBeliEveLies asking about a school in Ottowa.

From Darlinglilred:

<pre>WSGTHSHH HTHWIIEO OHOHDNSO IESOETCL?
TIHSLY HROKEI ELWIDC GWALBE?
IWSOEH KTCLRW NHHWEA OEOHSS.</pre>

Solution:

<pre>Who is the ghost who hides in the school?
The girl who was killed by ice?
I know the school where she was</pre>

From: refusetobelievelies

<pre>SSH HMO EYS IGT:
TWMADT HAEDPT ENDARY… YTENE
WBTC IUIH TLNE HLMS AEYT.
INSO NTHT TOES… OLR RIR OEO</pre>

Solution:

<pre>She is my ghost
They want me dead and pretty…
With a bullet in my chest.
In Toronto lies her roots…</pre>

Analysis:

Reference to Toronto. Significance? Research shows several high school deaths in Toronto. One was a gang shooting, where a girl died after being shot in the chest. Another involved a girl crushed by a sheet of falling ice. Both the incidents link with references in REBEL's messages.

== Top Ten and Recipients ==

=== Confirmed messages recipients===

1st Anagram:
*GothicKat
*707Clique

2nd Anagram:
*krig
*Dream
*rosieiswatching

3rd Anagram:
*abbington12
*Lizard

4th Anagram:
*modelmotion
*Dream
*papertiger05
*adritha
*flowerpower
*Spiletta42
*chavi68
*Emily
*rosieiswatching (although it had a different subject line:'"Let me help you")

5th Anagram:
*Sydney

6th Anagram:
*krig

''Please add if you know anyone else!''

=== The Relevant Top Ten lists ===

0083 Thanksgiving
Friday, November 24th, 2006 at 5:19 pm

#Joe (2)
#mysilvertrumpet (2)
#maccaboy
#Nat
#Jackie
#FreeStyler
#xx_luvly
#PaleNovember527

0084 Ransacked!
Monday, November 27th, 2006 at 2:43 am

#Morgan
#Alexi (2)
#shock (2)
#General Firstsayer
#FallingIntoSin (2)
#cheesy-come-lately
#Morgan

0085 Scared To Go Home
Tuesday, November 28th, 2006 at 10:48 am

#TheGreenLaceBeauty
#elliemae
#baddie (2)
#modelmotion
#RaeRae
#QuickClick
#jc_gypsy7
#Ryan
#snippity1

0086 Trust Issues
Wednesday, November 29th, 2006 at 8:52 am

#XxPrissy_GirlxX (3)
#chavi68
#Klangiboy
#breecheese
#supervolcano
#Ang
#Beaxo
#october17

0087 Jonas?
Thursday, November 30th, 2006 at 8:38 am

#baddie (4)
#Ryan
#rosieiswatching (2)
#jc_gypsy7
#gnome
#–trollbaby-

0088 Daniel Is Right
Friday, December 1st, 2006 at 2:17 am

#iiAMnina (2)
#stargazer (2)
#FreeStyler
#easter
#CinnamonSun
#julie
#visceral_viscous (2)

0089 Homeless
Friday, December 1st, 2006 at 9:04 pm

#Spiletta42
#TheGreenLaceBeauty (2)
#jared from texas
#HyeMew
#elliemae
#subucni (2)
#r1ngu
#abbington12

0090 Warwalking
Monday, December 4th, 2006 at 1:51 pm

#krig
#General Firstsayer
#Morgan
#XxPrissy_GirlxX
#Georgia
#snipeGT
#rosieiswatching
#Gooday
#Dream
#Slainte

0091 The Anti-Cribs
Tuesday, December 5th, 2006 at 8:10 pm

#Emily (2)
#XxPrissy_GirlxX
#r1ngu
#Jonas
#Ryan
#chavi68
#Ennovi
#Owned
#Grace

0092 Bad Decisions
Wednesday, December 6th, 2006 at 10:13 am

#Dream (2)
#XxPrissy_GirlxX (2)
#Armus (3)
#flower power
#rosieiswatching
#jpfeiffer88

0093 The Test
Thursday, December 7th, 2006 at 6:08 pm

# sydney
# Nat
# itselisabeth
# adritha
# skookumchuks
# Liz
# Ennovi
# Jackie
# Joe
# JayHank

0094 Your Decision Saturday, December 9th, 2006 at 7:47 pm

#XxPrissy_GirlxX (2)
#JoAnnP38
#samara
#Ryan
#Georgia
#pink striped ivy
#Elphielives
#MrAnonymous
#krig

0095 Back Home Monday, December 11th, 2006 at 11:10 am

#Elphielives
#XxPrissy_GirlxX
#Georgia
#JoAnnP38
#Pretty_Mely22 (2)
#louisethrill
#cacacarkeys
#starfly2
#kellylen

In response to inquiries by those who were in the top ten for video 0096 "Tough Cookie", REBEL posted a message to the comments board for video 0097 "Gemma, Who Are You?" on December 13th, 2006. The first line of this message stated that "TOP TEN HOLD NO NUMBING SENSATION ANY LONGER". Therefore, the messages will no longer be sent to the top ten. It appears that the top ten list for the video 0095 "Back Home" is the last relevant list and that a new mailing pattern will be developed.

== Cypher Crew ==

Everyone who joins in decoding the puzzles or researching their clues is by definition a member of the '''"Cypher Crew"''' but if you want to contact someone about information you have or information you want to get, it's probably best to contact one of the following users:

[[Image:Creweye.jpg|frame|logo by pink striped ivy]]
<br>
*pink striped ivy
*Perky
*gemmas flatmate
*Dream
*Rebelgoddess

== Rebel goes on MSN - December 20th, 2006 ==

Rebel went on MSN chat after sending a note to I Love Billy tell her the email address: xmirrorxrorrimx@hotmail.com. Rebel Talked with multiple users:<br><br>
SYDNEYS CHAT:<br>
(Translations underlined, original bolded)<br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''INDTNO WTTHKU. AEOAY'''<br>
<u>I wanted to thank you</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''BRO,WS: EEKT FINH OGOI'''<br>
<u>Before I go know this.</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''PNTDRL. EAEAU RLSNS SNEGA OONEL'''<br>
<u>Personal notes endanger us all.</u><br>
_ says:<br>
''' HLEL EOB LRE'''<br>
<u>Hello Rebel.</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''ISWDIE ALTEPR MOOCH'''<br>
<u>I am slow to decipher.</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''TI HSDY ISN SYE'''<br>
<u>This is Sydney.</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''DOTO IUMT DGYE? YEN'''<br>
<u>Did you get my note?</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''II DD'''<br>
<u>I did.</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''AD? N'''<br>
<u>And?</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''IGDUR ALYCE. MAOA'''<br>
<u>I am glad you care.</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''BHTRNO UEEEGU TNSDES... TOAAR'''<br>
<u>But the notes are dangerous…</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''ETA AOC STK. YR'''<br>
<u>Easy to track.</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''HOURL ONSAA LITNT DMTSE'''<br>
<u>Hold on I must translate</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''IE SE'''<br>
<u>I see.</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''CTYAYHE? AHTCOE NERKUR'''<br>
<u>Can they track you here?</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''IVEONU HETFDT. AYTIO'''<br>
<u>I have yet to find out.</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''WCOL HAUL ANTM TYEE?'''<br>
<u>What can you tell me?</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''INOL WTHP. ATE'''<br>
<u>I want to help.</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''IHSI SIOM ENME EGES... TST'''<br>
<u>I see things sometimes…</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''TGANBA HSTNEL. ITCOR NHATE'''<br>
<u>Things that can’t be real.</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''YSTN OEHG UEIS?'''<br>
<u>You see things?</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''TGALMP HSTLEA ITWCTS NHIOOS.'''<br>
<u>Things that will come to pass.</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''IODT DTEA OURN NNSD'''<br>
<u>I don’t understand.</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''NTRI. EHD IEO'''<br>
<u>Neither do I.</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''HAE ONL WIP? CH'''<br>
<u>How can I help?</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''ILY WTO IEU... LL'''<br>
<u>I will tell you</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''oa ky'''<br>
<u>Okay.</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''MGHGTLRA YHOHSLEL HSOOHBVE ICLSAEED.'''<br>
<u>My High School Ghost will be revealed.</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''bh yo? W'''<br>
<u>By who?</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''SHRARF. HAELS ELVHE SLEEL'''<br>
<u>She will reveal herself.</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''ECIBRE. XTDYN PAEHA EVOEM'''<br>
<u>Expect a video by her name.</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''SAS HUM ENE. HT'''<br>
<u>She haunts me.</u><br>
_ says:<br>
'''HOUEH ONSCE LITIR DMDP'''<br>
<u>Hold on I must decipher.</u><br>
REBEL says:<br>
'''ISEEW... MTAN ULVO'''<br>
<u>I must leave now…</u><br>

[[Category:User Generated Content]]

Talk:UtNbErS tutlaEN

2008-08-11T10:00:05Z

LordGreystoke422: New page: This post is a historical documentation of community activity--~~~~

This post is a historical documentation of community activity--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 05:00, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

UtNbErS tutlaEN

2008-08-11T09:59:18Z

LordGreystoke422:

UtNbErS tutlaEN appeared on the scene December 9, 2006 through encrypted notes to members. UtNbErS tutlaEN decodes to Untenable Trust, and the caps spell UNESEN, which anagrams to UNSEEN.

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== About UtNbErS tutlaEN ==

* The profile picture showed a single, green eye until December 10th, 2006. The eye is now closed.
* The style of the letter is similar to previous clues by [[OpAphid]]
* The content of the letter is similar to [[OpAphid]] and [[Immant]] videos.
* [[RefusEtoBeliEveLies]] (aka Rebel) refers to blue and green in a December 9, 2006 anagram. Public belief is that the colors refer to eyes - blue of Rebel and green of Unseen.

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== Private Messages ==

=== First Message, December 9, 2006 ===

* Location: "The Test" video
* Posted by gemmas flatmate, Dream, Perky

'''Subject title''': ~0~

<pre>mre,oL aebti nauwn ybtig. alnl…
trwy. heo enr yoT ath…
fih, eSvrne, bevtoatoN. icn, iarsoceeerpta…
wiuolr hldmyu alo,wos tywIut, wohlt…
wocd? hua eal nrl yEe… </pre>

Solution:

<pre>many are able, but not willing.
they are not worthy.
faith, perseverence, observation, action.
what will you do, whom will you trust,
when you are called? </pre>

Caps spell LISTEN.

'''Solution Key''':

There are two different keys in this anagram. The first, solving lines 1, 2, 4, and 5, follows the Rebel solution (the first letter of each word, the second of each, etc.). The second key, for line 3, considers the entire line as one word, taking the first and last letters, followed by second and second to last, etc.

The symbol in the subject line has not yet been identified.

[[Category:User Generated Content]]

Talk:ApotheosisAZ

2008-08-11T08:34:38Z

LordGreystoke422:

I'm very amenable to the fanfic page being edited. I appreciate Shiori taking the time to do so. I know that all the editors here are busy.

However, I humbly suggest that this page doesn't need more information about my series than an acronym...

If it isn't going to be allowed to remain the way I would prefer it, I'll just nominate it for deletion.

::Forgot to sign my earlier post[[User:ApotheosisAZ|Apo]] 03:13, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

:::Apo I would remind you that this is not a user page and the information does not belong to you and that acts such as repeated reverts..arbitrarary application of deletion tags..and blanking of the page could be considered vandalism. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 03:25, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

::::LGS422, I merely nominated the page for deletion. I didn't attempt to remove any content.[[User:ApotheosisAZ|Apo]] 03:31, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

:::::I understand sir..but I am just reminding you that its not actually your page..that would be your userpage...also..those deletion tags sure look like graffiti to me...I always thought graffiti was vandalism..but then..I thought this whole experience was about inclusion..what was I thinking..Stupid me..DOH...would calling myself stupid be considered name calling? --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 03:34, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

Talk:ApotheosisAZ

2008-08-11T08:25:23Z

LordGreystoke422:

Use of sex in lonelygirl15

2008-08-10T01:55:52Z

LordGreystoke422:

{{stub}}

Sexual themes have become more prevalent as [[TAAG]] members mature and their relationships become more complex. Many speculate that it is to drive viewership, though it has never been proven. This brings to mind the old adage, "Sex sells.", a well known and proven maxim of marketing. As the sex drive is one of the strongest motivating factors, it is something that all of us relate to on a primal level. With this in mind, it is realistic that a story about the lives of young adults would show some influence of sex upon them, as any observation of young adults in the real world would yield.

Use of Sexual Themes include:
*Suggestive episode titles
*Partial nudity or cleavage, especially as thumbnails
*Suggestive dialogue.

==Sarah's "conversation skills"==
[[Image:0458-SarahLongConversation.jpg|thumb|right|Join in on the conversation!]]
[[Sarah]]'s conversation skills are a reference to the continued usage of her sexuality to distract men for the good of the TAAG's missions.
*[[I Know What Boys Like]] - Sarah shows [[Taylor|her sister]] the ins and outs of talking to boys.
*[[Mission Possible]] - Sarah must have a conversation with a [[Security guard]].
*[[Am I A Criminal?]] - Sarah talks her way out of B&E accusations with a little T&A display.
*[[A Woman's Touch]] - Sarah encourages [[Mallory]] to use ''her'' conversations skills.
*[[Fries And A Shakedown]] - [[Carl]] reads through TAAG's attempt to use Sarah to get to Carl.
*[[Shop of Horrors!!!]] - [[Jonas]] officially gives title to Sarah's talent to engage with the opposite sex.

== Jonas takes his shirt off ==
The significance is unclear, but fans sure appreciate it when Jonas shows off his lovely chest muscles!
*[[The Morning After]] - Jonas talks openly about his late night conversations with [[Bree]].
*[[Speak to Me!]] - Jonas swims to take his mind off Bree.
*[[Beer Bath]] - Jonas, in a drunken stupor, feels sorry for himself.
*[[Hot Tubbing]] - Jonas and [[Jennie]] relax in the hot tub.
*[[Morning Glory]] - Jonas talks about his feelings of Bree and Jennie.
*[[Bathroom Talk]] - Jonas checks on Jennie, who is blogging in the bathroom late at night.

== Mallory sabotages her life ==
Is Mallory such a monster? After all, she learned from the best!
*[[A Woman's Touch]] - With some encouragement from Sarah, Mallory discovers her own conversation skills.
*[[School’s In]] - Mallory uses her conversation skills to get [[Daniel]] back in class.
*[[XxKissKissxx]] - Mallory shares with Daniel the fruits of her late night talks with [[Professor DelMundo|DelMundo]].
*[[Hot for Teacher]] - Mallory makes out with her film teacher.

[[Category:Notable details]]

LGPedia:Welcome

2008-08-09T22:00:35Z

LordGreystoke422:

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[[Lonelygirl15]] began in May 2006 on [[YouTube]] when a young girl named [[Bree]] started posting videos about her life, her religion, and her relationship with a boy named [[Daniel]]. The videos quickly grew to have a huge following, but fans began to suspect that Bree was not real. After [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|a lot of sleuthing]] fans of the series discovered that Bree was in fact an actress, played by [[Jessica Lee Rose]] and that the show was a production.

Since the reveal, the show has continued with new videos released several times a week, new characters and even an [[Alternate Reality Game]]. While the videos still appear on YouTube, the show is now hosted at [[lg15.com]]. Many fans of lonelygirl15 have created their own stories, and in addition to the lonelygirl15 [[canon]] there are numerous [[LG15 Spin-offs|fan fiction]] series.

The LGPedia attempts to document it all: the story, the characters, the fans and what's happened behind the scenes. If you are unfamliar with the lonelygirl15 story, please feel free to examine [[The Story So Far...]] to gain an insight as to what has happened so far in the series. There are well over 600 LonelyGirl15 videos now. LG15 came to a close on August 1st, 2008, during [[The Ascension]].

<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Who is KateModern?</div>
Thanks to the success of LG15, [[the Creators]] managed to strike a deal with social networking site [[Bebo]] to develop a similar series for the UK market. [[KateModern]] exists in the same universe as Lonelygirl15, but is based in London; according to [[Miles Beckett|Miles]], ''"The characters 'can' communicate with each other but it remains to be seen how much they will. Things like the Order, the Hymn of One, and all of that larger mythology will be in both series to varying degrees. Think of it like, the Order, HOO, the stuff about the blood, the girls, the [[Elders]], etc. etc. are all the same across both shows. But, the characters and plot are different. [...]"''

KateModern's [[Fight and Flight|first video]] was released on July 17, and grew a large and loyal fan base across the pond in the UK with the help of Bebo. The series evolved over its 2 seasons which spanned about a year of actual time. The show racked up over 300 webisodes during its run. The series came to a close with [[The Final Work]] on June 28th, 2008, though it seems likely we have not seen the last of some members of the KateModern gang. Only time will tell.


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LGPedia:Welcome

2008-08-09T21:58:34Z

LordGreystoke422:

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Welcome to the [[LGPedia]], an online encyclopedia designed around the on-going lonelygirl15 series. This is a wiki, which allows anyone to edit it, including you. This means that we can provide the most complete, accurate information which will update as the series does.
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|width="50%" valign="top" style="background-color: #D7A7E7; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 10px;"|<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Who is this lonelygirl15?</div>
[[Lonelygirl15]] began in May 2006 on [[YouTube]] when a young girl named [[Bree]] started posting videos about her life, her religion, and her relationship with a boy named [[Daniel]]. The videos quickly grew to have a huge following, but fans began to suspect that Bree was not real. After [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|a lot of sleuthing]] fans of the series discovered that Bree was in fact an actress, played by [[Jessica Lee Rose]] and that the show was a production.

Since the reveal, the show has continued with new videos released several times a week, new characters and even an [[Alternate Reality Game]]. While the videos still appear on YouTube, the show is now hosted at [[lg15.com]]. Many fans of lonelygirl15 have created their own stories, and in addition to the lonelygirl15 [[canon]] there are numerous [[LG15 Spin-offs|fan fiction]] series.

The LGPedia attempts to document it all: the story, the characters, the fans and what's happened behind the scenes. If you are unfamliar with the lonelygirl15 story, please feel free to examine [[The Story So Far...]] to gain an insight as to what has happened so far in the series. There are well over 600 LonelyGirl15 videos now. LG15 came to a close on August 1st, 2008, during [[The Ascension]].

<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Who is KateModern?</div>
Thanks to the success of LG15, [[the Creators]] managed to strike a deal with social networking site [[Bebo]] to develop a similar series for the UK market. [[KateModern]] exists in the same universe as Lonelygirl15, but is based in London; according to [[Miles Beckett|Miles]], ''"The characters 'can' communicate with each other but it remains to be seen how much they will. Things like the Order, the Hymn of One, and all of that larger mythology will be in both series to varying degrees. Think of it like, the Order, HOO, the stuff about the blood, the girls, the [[Elders]], etc. etc. are all the same across both shows. But, the characters and plot are different. [...]"''

KateModern's [[Fight and Flight|first video]] was released on July 17, and grew a large and loyal fan base across the pond in the UK with the help of Bebo. The series evolved over its 2 seasons which spanned about a year of actual time. The show racked up over 300 webisodes during its run. The series came to a close with [[The Final Work]] on June 28th, 2008, though it seems likely we have not seen the last of some members of the KateModern gang. Only time will tell.


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Cassieiswatching clues

2008-08-09T15:01:59Z

LordGreystoke422: /* Clue 28: Anagram */

{{update}}Clues from [[cassieiswatching]]

=== Clue 1: Video "This is My Story Now" ===
[[Cassieiswatching (Clue 1)|'''Clue #1''']] - A video entitled [[This Is My Story Now]]

=== Clue 2: Drop at the Swimming Hole ===
'''Clue #2''' - A cloth sack, a wooden box, and a [[Tarot]] card

This clue was recovered September 15th, 2006 at approximately 10:00AM (PST).

The recovery of this clue was recorded in a [[Cu Roi]] video titled {{youtube|xCUOU_vud0A|Casket of Tears}} posted to {{youtube-user|theAAshow}} account on YouTube showing someone retrieving the bag with a box inside. Inside the box was the Judgement Tarot card. Immediately after the Casket of Tears video was posted the description on [[This Is My Story Now]] was changed to read, "TOO SLOW I DON'T PLAY CARDS YOU ALL FAILED I HATE YOU". Based on this change the clue is believed to have been switched, stolen, or tampered with in some way.

=== Clue 3: Video "When I Get to the Bottom Where I Stop" ===
'''Clue #3''' - A video entitled [[When I Get To The Bottom Where I Stop]]

This video was posted to [[YouTube]] on September 17th, 2006. The video was, again, filmed from the first person point of view. The entire video consists of a short walk from a building on the edge of a park into the play area and ending at the wall where [[Bree]] was standing [[In The Park]]. The video consists of inverted video, image "splash frames", and a reversed audio track. It begins with two birds in slow motion with a person saying "come and get it" in reverse. Next, several still images are shown which includes two pictures of Bree from the In The Park video, dated September 14th, 2006, a crime scene photo of the bodies of Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring as committed by the Manson Family members, another Manson Family crime photo from the LaBianca murder scene with "Healter Skelter" misspelled in blood on the refrigerator door, and several pictures of the park where the [[In The Park]] video was filmed (including a picture of clue #4). A loud scream is included with the still images. Then, the camera moves through the park at high speed to the location where Bree was waiting for [[Daniel]] in the In The Park video. Simultaneously, it plays audio of {{wikipedia|The_Beetles|The Beatles}} song "Helter Skelter" at high speed (which includes the 'loud scream' previously mentioned) and {{wikipedia|U2}}'s Bono saying "Charles Manson stole this from {{wikipedia|The_Beetles|The Beatles}}, now were taking it back." in reference to the same song. The video suggests, that [[Cassie]] was in the park while Bree waited for Daniel, unbeknownst to either of them. The images shot in Cassie's video are taken from a different location than when Daniel was "spying" on Bree before meeting up with her in the park.

The video is heavily edited like the [[This Is My Story Now]] video but contains an ominous overtone due to the inverted color images, reversed audio, Tate-LaBianca crime scene photos and the 'scream'.

=== Clue 4: Bible Page Drop at the Park ===
'''Clue #4''' - A page torn from a [http://www.gideons.org/ Gideons Bible].

This clue was recovered on September 17th, 2006 at 4:20 p.m. (PST). The recovery of the clue was discovered by [[Alternate Reality Game|ARG]] veteran [[Cu Roi]] and fan scdgoofy. A page from the Bible was found attached to a playground slide with a piece of heavy string. Words and numbers were cut from the page and when pieced together formed the phrase, "CALL 2133995274". (The number is no longer in service.)

A {{youtube|YWKqbZMb0NA|short video}} of the clue recovered was posted to the {{youtube-user|scdgoofy}} account on [[YouTube]].

[http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m259/Casketoftears/CassieInThePark.jpg scanned image of the Bible page - front]

[http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m259/Casketoftears/CassieInTheParkReverse.jpg scanned image of the Bible page - back]

=== Clue 5: Voice Mail Message ===
'''Clue #5''' - A voicemail recorded on September 17th, 2006

The voice message recorded from clue #4: [http://tinyurl.com/facjf]

The voice message says " " in reverse.

=== Clue 6: YouTube Morse Code Message ===
'''Clue #6''' - An ASCII morse coded message

The message was found on September 21st, 2006. This clue was posted to the cassieiswatching account at [[YouTube]]:

<pre>
.. .----. .-.. .-.. / -... . / .-. .. --. .... - / .... . .-. . / .- -... --- ...- . / -.-- --- ..- .-.-.- / -... . / .-. . .- -.. -.--
</pre>
Translation: ILL BE RIGHT HERE ABOVE YOU. BE READY

The phrase "...right here above you" is also from the {{wikipedia|U2}} cover of the song Helter Skelter referenced in clue #3.

=== Clue 7: First Morse Poem ===
'''Clue #7''' - Morse Code found on September 25th, 2006

This morse code and anagram clue was found on the page for cassieiswatching at [[YouTube]].:

(Note: this clue included a morse code translation for "codes into serapis", which was revealed to be an anagram for "[[Cassie]] does not RIP". This Rosetta Stone-like item allowed participants to decipher the clue below.)

<pre>
.-. . ...- . -. --. . / .- -... .- - . -.. / .-- .. -. / - .... . / -... . ... - / .... .. -. -
.. -- .--. --- ...- . .-. .. ... .... . -.. / -- . - . .-. / ... - . .- .-.. ... --..--
..-. --- --- .-.. / -.. .. ... .-.. .. -.- . ... / .-- .... .. - . / .... --- - / .-- .- .-. -- - ....
. --. --- / .- -- .--. .-.. .. ..-. .. -.-. .- - .. --- -. / - .- .-.. .-.. --- .-- / .... . . .-.. .-.-.-

.-- . .-.. .-.. / .- -. / ..- -. . ...- . -. / ... . ...- . .-. . ... - / -.- . . -.
--- -. / .- ...- . -. --. . .-. ... / -.. . .- ..-. . -. . -.. / -... .-. --- .-- -. .-.-.-
.. / .- -- / .... --- -. . ... - / --- -... .--- . -.-. - .. --- -. / ... - ..- - - . .-. ... --..--
.-- .. ... . / .-- .. -. / .-- .... . .-. . / .-- . . ...- .. .-.. . -.. / .- .-- . .-.-.-

.- .-. - .. ... - ... / .. -. - .-. --- ...- . .-. - / ... . .-.. ..-. / .... .- - . --..--
.-- --- --- -.. . -. .-.. -.-- / --- .-. / - .- .-- -.. .-. .. .-.. -.-- / .- ... / - --- .-. - ..- --- ..- ... .-.-.-
.... .- / .-- --- .-. - .... .. -. . ... ... / --- -- .. - ... / .- --. --- .-.-.-
.-- --- .-. - .... -.-- / -. .- ..- ... . --- ..- ... / - .... . / -.- .. -. --. / -.. . .- - .... / -- .- ... -.- ---...

-.. .. ... - .- ... - . ..-. ..- .-.. .-.. -.-- / .... . / -.. . -.-. .- -.-- . -.. / .... . / -.-. --- -- . / .... . / .--. --- . .-.-.-
... ..- -... ... - .- -. - .. .- - .. --- -. ... / ... . . .--. . -.. / -.-. --- . .-. -.-. . .-.-.-
</pre>
Solution: '''(confirmed)'''

Between the virgin and the beast

moses armed the evil priest,

To kill me with his sword of hate

if help again will come too late.

Warns Luke Eleven Seventeen [http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/luke/luke11.htm]

of dangers now and ever been.

The cost is not just mine to bear.

We win we live we die we share.

Revelation starts the first,

at dawn youll rise to do your worst.

This is not a game or show.

The stakes are high and you must know:

The pulse of the doe-eyed child may cease.

But cassie does not rest in peace.

"The virgin and the beast" may refer to lonelygirl and danielbeast.

=== Clue 8: Blurred Image of the First Poem ===
'''Clue #8''' - Morse code follow up image found on September 26th, 2006

This image assisted participants to translate Clue #7 by identifying the number of words in each line to simplify the deciphering of the anagrams.

[http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/712/aabbvo9.jpg]

=== Clue 9: Solution to the First Poem ===
'''Clue #9''' - Morse code image with solution found on September 26th, 2006

Technically not a clue, but once participants had posted a complete version of the decyphered anagrams this clue was found on the page for cassieiswatching at YouTube.com to confirm their success.

[http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4559/ex22lk0.jpg]

=== Clue 10: It Begins the First ===
'''Clue #10''' - An ASCII morse coded message

The message was found on September 27th, 2006. This clue was posted to the cassieiswatching account at YouTube.

<pre>
-.. . .- .-. / -... -.-- .
... - .-. .. ..-. . / -... .. - / - .... . / ... .. --. -.
</pre>

Translation:

MD5DQ

BE READY

IT BEGINS THE FIRST

(MD5DQ is a reference to http://tinyurl.com/md5dq, which points to the image in Clue #9)

=== Clue 11: Are You Ready? ===
'''Clue #11''' - Morse Code found on October 1, 2006

-.-- --- ..- / -.. .- .-. . / .- / .-. -.-- . ..--..

Translation: YOU DARE A RYE-

Solution: ARE YOU READY-

=== Clue 12: Video "Revelation 1" ===
'''Clue #12''' - Video found on October 1, 2006

This clue was found on the page for cassieiswatching at [[YouTube]] with the comment "Come on I won't do what you tell me." The phrase was identified as lyrics from the song ''Killing in the Name'' by {{wikipedia|Rage_Against_The_Machine|Rage Against The Machine}}.

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD743yF94fU]

Audio clips from video (credit: plugs) [http://savefile.com/projects/1022526]

Audio clips from video (credit: person) [http://www.savefile.com/files/122685]

Description: Come on I won't do what you tell me.
Category: People
Tags: help me

=== Clue 13: WHO Poem ===
Morse Code found on October 1, 2006

This clue was found on the page for cassieiswatching at YouTube.com:

<pre>
"frank is waiting

WHO

codes into serapis

-- . .-.. / .-.. . -- / .-.. . - / .-.. . - / .... .- - . / .-.. . - / -- . .-. .-.. / -. . .-- ... .-.-.-
--. .. -... --- -.-- . / - .... . / .-.. .. / .-- ..- / -.-. .- / -.-. .-. . . -.- / --. .. .-. .-.. / ... -. --- .-- .-.-.-
. .... --- -. - . / --- -.-- . / .-. ..- / -.-. .... . - .. ...- . / .-.. -.-- .-. . / .-- ..- --..--
-... .- -... .- / .... . .-. ... . -. - / ..-. ..- -. -.- / .... .- .-.. . . / -. -.-- -- .--. .... --- / --- .-. / ..- - .-.-.-
-... . .- / . .--. .... --- .-. . / ...- ..- / . .-.. . ...- --- -. / -.-- ..- -.- --- / --- .-. --..--
-.. .- / -. --- -.-- . .-. ... / --- .... / --- ..- / -.. .- -... / -.- .. .-.. / .--. --- --- .-.. / --- .-. .-.-.-

WHAT

WHEN

WHERE

WHY

HOW"
</pre>

Translation:

MEL LEM LET LET HATE LET MERL NEWS (8 words)

GIBOYE THE LI WU CA CREEK GIRL SNOW. (8 words)

EHONTE OYE RU CHETIVE LYRE WU, (6 words)

BABA HERSENT FUNK HALEE NYMPHO OR UT. (7 words)

BEA EPHORE VU ELEVON YUKO OR, (6 words)

DA NOYERS OH OU DAB KIL POOL OR. (8 words)

Solution:

TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME THE ANSWER.

WHILE YOU BEG IT GROWS LIKE CANCER.

YOU'RE THE ONE WITH EVERY CLUE,

BUT FRANK HAS BEEN MORE HELP THAN YOU

UP HERE ABOVE YOU NEVER LOOK,

SO ON YOUR HEAD ILL DROP A BOOK.

=== Clue 14: WHO Poem Hint ===
'''Clue #14''' - A text message found on October 1, 2006

This clue was found on the page for cassieiswatching at YouTube.com:

"right here above you

go"

This likely refers to the book in the video, that it should be studied.

=== Clue 15: WHAT Poem ===
Morse Code found on October 1, 2006

This clue was found on the page for cassieiswatching at YouTube.com on October 1st:

<pre>
"WHAT

codes into serapis

hit denied evil | hit the flame

.... . .-.. ...- . - . / .--. .. / - .-. .. ... / -.. .- / .-- . -... / .... . / -- . .-.. / -.- .. .-.. -
.-- . .-.. -.-. .... . / .... .. / -- .. - / ...- .. - / -.. .- / ... .... . -.. / .... . .-. --- -. .-.-.-
-.. . -... ..- -.-. .... . ... / -. --- -. / --- ... --..-- / .-.. --- --.- ..- . - .- .. - / - --- - --- --..--
-.. .- / ... .... . .-.. ..-. ... / . .... / -. . .-.. .-.. ... / .... .. --..-- / .... .- - . .-.. . ... ... / ... .... .. - ... / - .. .--. .-.. .-.-.-
.... .- -... .-.. . .-. .- / ... .... . -.- . .-.. / - . .-.. / -.. .- / -.. . / .... ..- - .. -. ... / - .-. .. -. ... --..--
-.. . -.. .. . / .... . / .-. .... . ... / ... .-.. .. - / -.. . -.-. . -.. . / ... .... . -.. / .... .. / ... .. .-. .-.-.- "
</pre>

Translation:

HELVETE PI TRIS DA WEB HE MEL KILT

WELCHE HI MIT VIT DA SHED HERON.

DEBUCHES NON OS, LOQUETAIT TOTO,

DA SHELFS EH NELLS HI, HATELESS SHITS TIPL.

HABLERA SHEKEL TEL DA DE HUTINS TRINS,

DEDIE HE RHES SLIT DECEDE SHED HI SIR.

Solution:

divide the line in half the time

THE EVIL PRIEST WILL MAKE THE BED

WHILE THE VICTIM NODS HER HEAD.

ONCE SHE'S BOUND, TOO LATE TO QUIT.

SHE'LL FEEL HIS HANDS, SHE'LL TASTE HIS SPIT.

HE'LL BREAK THE SEAL AND THRUST INSIDE,

SHE CRIED SHE LIED SHE TRIED SHE DIED.

This clue seems to suggest that Bree will be raped at the forthcoming religious ceremony as referenced in the most recent lonelygirl15 videos. but since Bree didn't go through with the ceremony...we have no clue whether this would have actually happened. However some think that this could be referring to cassie as she lied and tried to save Bree and that perhaps she really had died

=== Clue 16: Poem Hints 1 ===
'''Clue #16''' - Image Clue found on October 1, 2006

This clue was found on the page for cassieiswatching at YouTube.com and included a comment in morse code (--. .--- .-.. --. --...) that translates to "GJLG7", which is in reference to the second image file below.

[http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/712/aabbvo9.jpg AABBVO9]

[http://tinyurl.com/GJLG7 GJLG7]

Both image files are intended to assist participants decyphering the current and forthcoming set of anagrams.

=== Clue 17: WHEN Poem ===
Morse Code found on October 1, 2006

This message was found on the page for cassieiswatching at YouTube.com:

<pre>
WHEN

codes into serapis

retch filed horn

ambi | bami | miab | imba

...- . .-.. . / -.. .- -. . -.-- ... / .-.. .. - ..- -. / -.-- .- ..-. - . -- --..--
. - . -- ... / ... - . -- ..- .--- / -.. . ... .. .. -. / .- - . - --. .... . .-.-.-
- --- -. / -- .. -.-. .... . -- ..- - / --- ..- .-. ..-. --- -.-- / - .- .. -. --- - .-. --..--
... .-.. .. .-.. - / -.- --- ..- -.-- -.-. .. -... / . -. -.. .- .-. / -.-. .- .--. .-.. .. -- --- -. .-.-.-
.... .- .-.. .-.. . - . -.- / .-- .... .. - .. - / ... .. --. -. .- / ... . .--. .... .-. . .- .-.. ---...
.-.. . ...- . / -.. .- . -. -.-- ... --..-- / ...- . . .-.. / ... -. -.-- .- . -.. .-.-.- "
</pre>

Translation:

VELE DANEYS LITUN YAFTEM,

ETEMS STEMUJ DESIIN ATETGHE.

TON MICHEMUT OURFOY TAINOTR,

SLILT KOUYCIB ENDAR CAPLIMON.

HALLETEK WHITIT SIGNA SEPHREAL:

LEVE DAENYS, VEEL SNYAED.

Solution:

for the children

iamb | iamb | iamb | iamb

ELEVEN DAYS UNTIL MY FATE

MEETS ME JUST INSIDE THE GATE

NOT MUCH TIME FOR YOU TO TRAIN

STILL YOU BICKER AND COMPLAIN.

HE'LL TAKE IT WITH A SINGLE PHRASE:

ELEVEN DAYS, ELEVEN DAYS

=== Clue 18: Franks Blog Page Found ===
'''Clue #18''' - [[Blogspot Frank]] Clue found on October 2nd, 2006

This information was posted by Enid at 11:11 AM at [http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1371 CanYouHearHer Blog]

This image confirms the clue is official: [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/kittygrl010101/franksblog.jpg Comparison of cassieiswatching clue #16 and A Voice Within page]

The web site [http://canyouhearher.blogspot.com A Voice Within] appears to be a blog written by Frank who suffers from auditory hallucinations. Frank's description of the voice and his memory lapses correspond to the activities by cassieiswatching. This suggests Frank suffers from schizophrenia, or that he is possessed by a spirit entity (presumably Cassie from the lonelygirl15 show, if she is deceased).

=== Clue 19: WHERE Poem ===
Morse Code found on October 2, 2006

This message was found on the page for cassieiswatching at YouTube.com:
<pre>
"WHERE

codes into serapis

ed shin sit | be singing his nit

-.. . . -.. / .. ..-. / -. ..- .-.. .-.. / -.-- --- .-- / .- / . -.. / --. . . / .... .. / ... - .. -. -

. -.. / ..-. .. .-. / -. -.-- .-.. --- -. / -.. . . -.. / ... . . - .... . / -- --- .--. / - -.-- .--. --- .-.-.-

-.-. --- -. -.-. . -.. . / - . -. / - --- -- / -- -.-- / .- / - . - -.-. .... .. . .-. / .--. ..- ... .... --..--

-.-. . -.. . / .. ..-. / -. .. .-.. / -. --- ... / .- / -.-. . -.. . / .-. .. .--. --- ... - ... / ... --- .-.-.-

. -.. / .... . . .-.. / -.- .. .-.. -. / .-- .-. .. - / .- / . -.. / . .-. --. / .... . -. / - .... .-. . .--

-.. --- ..-. ..-. / .. --- -. / -.-- --- / .-. ..- - / .... .. - -.-. .... . -.. / .--. --- .-.. .-.. ... / ... .-.. ..- - .-.-.- "
</pre>

Morse Code Translator reveals the following from the code above:

"DEED IF NULL YOW A ED GEE HI STINT

ED FIR NYLON DEED SEETHE MOP TYPO.

CONCEDE TEN TOM MY A TETCHIER PUSH,

CEDE IF NIL NOS A CEDE RIPOSTS SO.

ED HEEL KILN WRIT A ED ERG HEN THREW

DOFF ION YO RUT HITCHED POLLS SLUT."

SOLUTION:

Inside the gate you will defend
the doe-eyed moppet’s only friend
The picture has not yet commenced
so depicts a rose in soil fenced
The garden where the killer wined
Still holds the cup for you to find

The above is the believed solution however this was never confirmed as two of the lines are interchangeable.

=== Clue 20: Frank is Listening ===
'''Clue #20''' - Found on YT profile on October 2, 2006 (time?)
The description for the third video changed briefly to:

tenthekenonebrodstneeolis

TRANSLATION: "no need listen broke the notes"

then soon afterward was changed to:

Frank is listening.

So, it seems to imply that we had successfully retrieved all useful audio clips from the video in Clue #12.
And that we should now confer with Frank or that Frank is hearing Cassie or maybe Frank IS Cassie.

=== Clue 21: Poem Hints 2 ===
'''Clue #21''' - Found on YT profile on October 2, 2006 (time?)

..-. .-.. .-.. . ---..

Translation: FLLE8

Solution: http://www.tinyurl.com/FLLE8
which points to: http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9260/4jb3.jpg

This shows an inverted image of two things.
1. To the left side is a page showing the anagram poems, focused on the left middle poem, but only partial of most of them.
The poems are laid out in similar configuration to the pictures in the images from Clue # 16.
2. A very small image, possibly also a negative image. If someone were to take it and stretch it out enough on Paint, the picture shows a girl looking out somewhere; her hands on her hips. It is unknown who this person may be.

=== Clue 22: WHY Poem ===
'''Clue #22''' - Morse Code found on October 2, 2006 ~10:52pm PST

This message was found on the page for cassieiswatching at YouTube.com:
<pre>
"WHY

codes into serapis
-.-. .... .- -. .-- .- - - -. . -- -.-. .- -.. . -. ..- -.. . -. - .... .-. -.-- ... - ..- .-. ... . --..--
-.-. .- -... .- ... -.- . - -.-. .... ... .-- ..- .-. . ...- .. ... . .-- -. --- .-. ... . .-.-.-
-.-. .... .- .... .-- .- - - - . -.- -. . -.-- -... . .- . .... .-- .... .. ... - - - .. -.
-... . .- .... . .-- .... .. ... - - --- - - ..- .- -... -... . - .... --- ... ... ... .-. .. -. .-.-.-
-.. . . .... .... .. -.-- .. -. - .-. .. - --- - ..-. .- -. - ... .-. . .... .- -- . --..--
-.. . . .... .... .. - - --- .. - - --- .-. -.-- ..-. .- ... .-. .... - .... . ... .- -- . .-.-.-

HOW"
</pre>

Morse Code Translator reveals the following from the code above:

"CHANWATTNEMCADENUDENTHRYSTURSE,
CABASKETCHSWUREVISEWNORSE.
CHAHWATTTEKNEYBEAEHWHISTTTIN
BEAHEWHISTTOTTUABBETHOSSSRIN.
DEEHHIYINTRITOTFANTSREHAME,
DEEHHITTOITTORYFASRHTHESAME."

SOLUTION:

CHANWATTNEM | CADENUDENTHRYSTURSE,
What men can't | understand they curse,

CABASKETCHSWUR EVISEWNORS.
what curses back | is even worse.

CHAHWATTTEKNEY | BEAEHWHISTTTIN
when they attack the beast within

BEAHEWHISTTOTTU | ABBETHOSSSRIN.
the beast without | absorbs the sin.

DEEHHIYINTRITOT | FANTSREHAME,
they do it in their | father's name.

DEEHHITTOITTORY | FASRHTHESAME.
they do it to their | father's shame.

What men can't understand they curse,
what curses back is even worse.
when they attack the beast within
the beast without absorbs the sin.
they do it in their father's name.
they do it to their father's shame.

=== Clue 23: HOW Poem ===
'''Clue #23''' - Morse Code found on October 3, 2006 ~2:45pm PST

This message was found on the page for cassieiswatching at YouTube.com (she had been logged in 15 hours)

<pre>
"HOW

codes into serapis
- .... - .- . -- . ... .-.. .-.. .-. . . . .-.. - . . -- .-- . - -. -- .-.. .-.. .-.. .-.-.-
.-.. --- . .-. .-. - . ... .... .-- -.-. .- ..- --. . -.- .-.. .-- .. --- .. --. -... -. .. -.-. . -.-- .-.-.-
.... -.-- . . . -.-- --- ..- .... -. .-.. .-- .. - -.-. --- .-. ..- .-. . ...- - . . --..--
-. .... . ... -... .- . .... - ..- -. ..- -.- . .-.. .-. .- .--. - .... --- .- -.-- . --- -. -- -... .-. ..-. .-.-.-
. - ..- . . -.-- .- -. . - -. -.-- ..-. ...- .- ... -.. .-.. -- .. .-..
. -.. . .-- ... --- - .. . .. .--. .... ... -.-. -. .-. .. --- ... ...- -.-. .- .- .. .-.-.-
"
</pre>
Morse Code Translator reveals the following from the code above:

"THTAEMESLLREEELTEEMWETNMLLL.
LOERRTESHWCAUGEKLWIOIGBNICEY.
HYEEEYOUHNLWITCORUREVTEE,
NHESBAEHTUNUKELRAPTHOAYEONMBRF.
ETUEEYANETNYFVASDLMIL
EDEWSOTIEIPHSCNRIOSVCAAI."

SOLUTION:

TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME THE ANSWER
WHILE YOU BEG IT GROWS LIKE CANCER
YOU'RE THE ONE WITH EVERY CLUE
BUT FRANK HAS BEEN MORE HELP THAN YOU
ELEVEN DAYS UNTIL MY FATE
SEREPIS CODES, HI NOVICE, WAIT

The final line also contains two further anagrams, hidden by Cassie:
SERAPIS CODES = CASSIE PROSED
HI NOVICE WAIT = A VOICE WITHIN

(Dictionary definition Prosed: To write prose.)

=== Clue 24: Poems Blurred Solution ===
'''Clue #24''' - Morse Code found on October 4, 2006 ~12:31am PST

This message was found on the page for cassieiswatching at YouTube.com (she had been logged in ~40 minutes)

<pre>
--.. -.-- ..--- ..... .-..
</pre>
SOLUTION:

ZY25L

LEADS TO:

[http://www.tinyurl.com/ZY25L ZY25L]

[http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2949/2nu1.jpg Contrast enhanced version]

Which shows the red/black image from Clue #20 with the corresponding "WWWWWH" poetry semi-readable on top of each image.

And here, overlaid with the words from each poems' [http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=answerscaledtb8.jpg final solution]

=== Clue 25: Changing Description of "Revelation 1" Video ===
Clue #25: Description of video
titled "Revelation 1" changed to
say "Frank is working" around midnight
PST October 4, 2006. The description was then changed again during the early morning hours of October 5, 2006 to say "Frank is sleeping."
On October 7, 2006 the description took another change now stating "Frank is waking."

=== Clue 26: New video "Revelation 2" ===
Clue #26: cassieiswatching has added a new video to her profile, and has changed the description in her account.

=== Clue 27: New video "Revelation 3" ===
Clue #27: cassieiswatching has added a new video on YouTube, and changed the description. In this video, she is in a MMORPG (Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game) called [http://www.secondlife.com/ SecondLife]. In this game players have interacted with cassie, whose user name is "Codesinto Serapis". From time to time she will show up and sit in the same spot, apparently pointing to another clue.

=== Clue 28: Anagram ===

Clue #28: Codes into Serapis gave a message to players in Second Life :
<pre>
1 You were the ones with every clue
2 The final step was right above you.
3 Yet upon dead skies hovered anew
4 (A) m hsddo yAeh n sodadu lewy aobec lnwdi ( 8 )
5 (I) ud ieosih tuyrla svtuI tlvty glgje he (7)
6 Kane is full, yet glad I avoid you.
7 You've left me to my lonely doom
8 The doe-eyed whore into the room
9 Trace her to it, set in sin’s tomb
10 (I, B) ltnsIolB ruseur uyufft'o o e e (6) (possible : I'll not suffer Bree too... )
11 Look up above and down below,
12 This is not a game you'll know
13 The waters thin, so don't be late
14 (Y) o i 'tbeko Yneohpo tuo ug ehdvtzny rwou ( 8 )...zero weight
15 (Y) oruu t e tw'o mloeiflYt ernt osabi (7)
16 (I) ,cler oIre rmit ttii ur lknte ltwhu (7)
17 (I) hdoltau ey e tm i awwaIoh imr g ( 8 )
18 (I) e y to h ad eiau oIhraet glrnteml ( 8 )
19 Is a girl whom he won't release
20 And Cassie does not rest in peace
21 Cassie does not rest in peace.

Possible Line 6: I foully avoid, die guilty as Kane
Possible Line 18: In the great realm you had to lie

This is the original anagram :

<pre>
Y eyeeu estew h ceoovrneht l irwu
fyaugtbov tn ihalwp e T osaer iseh
nskvseYe adep euiaw d nhetdroe o
m hsddo yAeh n sodadu lewy aobec lnwdi
ud ieosih tuyrla svtuI tlvty glgje he
I oef gyaun laild ltd ay, esvKui o
fu 'oye o el oomlte enmomlYy dvt
wo ddooeeyTh oteth re- ehm r oine
ehr' st ceTsit o tri aoenbei t,mu s
ltnsIolB ruseur uyufft'o o e e
,lewab ooLk ownov oe dnad bpu
k oahw emtu y Tslng i onaliso'
eT we'ttae dsrho thos,ieat nl b n
o i 'tbeko Yneohpo tuo ug ehdvtzny rwou
oruu t e tw'o mloeiflYt ernt osabi
,cler oIre rmit ttii ur lknte ltwhu
hdoltau ey e tm i awwaIoh imr g
e y to h ad eiau oIhraet glrnteml
w oho lgiw'sne tsre ahaeer Im l
eeao siaC epnesrAto dns d nestc i
esnnCsietpsre eea o dios at c
</pre>

The poem was never deciphered and the Cassie game was evidently abandoned by its puppet master. Fans slowly moved on from the game.

[[Category:Cassieiswatching]]

Talk:GuillotineCalamity

2008-08-08T18:27:45Z

LordGreystoke422:

veritas means truth in latin. it's harvard's motto.--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 18:24, 23 January 2007 (CST)

So...codes into truth? [[User:Crowcity]]

Ok, so I nominate GC's page because I think it has a fair amount of clarity, cleanliness and <i>is</i> related to LG15, as some of her videos are in response to LG15 videos, and the storyline revolves around a community, just like Bree's. And Like LL's page, let's not try to argue. This is a discussion, not a competitive debate. .--[[User:Crowcity|Crowcity]]

::Without debate, I am totally against this. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 23:45, 2 February 2007 (CST)

:::Here, here. Totally against it. It is problematic FEATURING a fanfic. I think we should gather 'round and think of various themes that have run through LG15, whether early on or now. Pages related to those things should be featured, not response videos made by unrelated people. What does that add to our better understanding of lonelygirl15? I mean come on, if you are short of things, try featuring P. Monkey, or Owen, or Thor, to just name three. Each of those are deeply related to LG15 herself and would be of interest. There are other less well known but firmly canonical things which could also fit the bill of appropriateness, but a fanfic with no real cross-over in the lonelygirl world should make it. (Now if it was a fan-fic directly tied into the plot, or one that is obvious comedy, might be a different story.) [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 00:04, 3 February 2007 (CST)

::::Hah..I was just kidding I am actually for featuring it.. Actually..despite how problematic it is I think we need to make the effort to support some Fan SpinOffs prominently. We just need to check heavily to make sure that it doesn't get people totally confused with the LG15 storyline AND the CassieisWatching storyline as being canon for either. Maybe do a series of Fan Features. One for serious storyline, one for parody, one for straight fan commentary maybe? We could pick a few choices for each category and vote on which we use and then focus on prepping the article to get it ready for prime time. This name associated with this post I say should not be included... I've already basked in the glory of being mentioned by the creators in a letter that is posted RIGHT on the Fan Fiction page..so...that's that with that. Also I am against itscassie because of the cassie confusion. I'd say GC, Immant, and HSAO for serious. LonesomeOct, Apotheosis, and ItsKassie for parody...who the hell knows about other characters categories..we can figure some out. Also... let me say.. So much for not being a competetive debate. Actually, I don't think a true discussion is possible with out some competetive debate...otherwise its just mindless positions..kinda like the US congress. I just have to say one more thing... Don't think of an elephant.. and you thought of? An elephant of course..unless you don't understand the meaning of the word... It's inherent that if you tell someone NOT to do something..think something.. You have JUST put thoughts of that something in that person's mind where as before saying it the person may not have been thinking of it at all. Ok..Soapbox off!.
How can you discuss something without presenting an argument when that is simply a position on a topic. Ok..Done..and here I was just trying to be a little bad and have fun.. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 00:37, 3 February 2007 (CST)

:::::This discussion over whether fanfic should or should not be included needs to be moved to [[LGPedia talk:Featured articles]]. When JayHenry first came up with that, he set forth some guidelines that are included in that page, and everyone seemed to be ok with them. If that's not the case anymore, then it needs to be discussed, but not here. This page is for discussion of this article's merit, not our FA guidelines. As they stand, we're not against featuring fanfic, but the article should not be self-promoting. It's also ok to agree to feature an article ''eventually'' after everyone has had a chance to revise it. So... before this turns into another fiasco... if you have anything further to say about our FA ''guidelines'', please post your concern on [[LGPedia talk:Featured articles]]. If you're merely against featuring GC, you've made your point, and it's been acknowledged. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:39, 3 February 2007 (CST)

I think it <i>is</i> very debateable whether fan fiction should be featured, but am obviously for it. The fan fiction og LG15 is a relevant piece of The Breeniverse, in my eyes. I mean, without cassieiswatching, OpAphid may be completely different, or perhaps non-existant! And opAphid has been accepted as official LG canon, now as we see fully intergrated into the direct LG storyline. Yes, fan fiction, even that of an unprofessional type (no offense) deserves at least some recognition. --[[User:Crowcity|Crowcity]]

These pages are neat and complete and a complex story..Which should have been tier 4 or 5 yet was marked for deletion along with its 2 sister series Opscorn and theladylazarus...named tier 1..these were prime examples of what was wrong with the tier system. Hence I am removing the deletion tag.--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 13:27, 8 August 2008 (CDT)

GuillotineCalamity

2008-08-08T18:25:13Z

LordGreystoke422:

{{Person
| name = Lara Walker
| image = Sister.jpg
| age = 18 (dead)
| birthday = March 20th 1989
| youtube = GuillotineCalamity
| revver =
| myspace =
| actor = Linda Belle
| first = Photography in Motion
| last = One Way
| color = orange
| blogs =
}}
'''[[GuillotineCalamity]]''' is a fan fiction character, seemingly connected to [[Tachyon]] and has posted several videos in response to the [[OpAphid]] [[Alternate Reality Game]]. She has been called '''Sister''' and continues to identify herself as so (a nod to Tachyon's partner [[Brother]] in OpAphid). She has been discovered to also go by '''LW''' when speaking to members within the W Community. There is no clear evidence whether she is fanfiction or something more, although her videos sometime uncannily predict the happenings in the [[Breeniverse]].

Recently, the original PM passed the torch to a new PM. This comes after a long time of stress and pain all caused by the series. Hopefully the new season will premiere in the coming weeks.

==The GuillotineCalamity Arc==
The '''GuillotineCalamity Arc''' revolves around the ex-members of a community run by W, otherwise known as Wolffe. W is the grandfather of Sister, or L. Sister seems to be related to a Caroline Walker, as well. It is not yet known how this community relates to [[Bree]]'s or even [[OpAphid]]'s. In the video Bedtime Story, Sister discloses that Caroline came across or was involved in some sort of ritual in the woods bordering W's land. She returned battered and bruised, and heard the voices of a 'Cassandra' and a 'Helena' in her head. It is speculated that they belonged to [[Cassie]] and Helena Petrovna Blatavsky, whose works influenced [[Aleister Crowley]]. Caroline later commited suicide.

According to her videos, Sister is out for revenge. It is unknown at this time exactly who she is working for, though, it is known that in the [[Breeniverse]], she would be considered an evil character.

Sister's story came to an end, in early june when the caracter (maddened by the voices of loved ones passed) commited suicide.

==The GC Seasons==
A [http://z8.invisionfree.com/CodenameTripleKnot/index.php?showtopic=263 list] has been posted on the CTK forums announcing the GC video ARC seasons list. The sixth season is expected to arrive soon.
The List (these videos are including those from GC canon):

'''Season 1: Propaganda'''
*Photography in Motion
*file20.mov
*Go Home, Bree
*You Are Not Homeless
*Tachyon Will Fail

'''Season 2: Initiate Dialogue'''
*Dear T,
*Red
*Lonelygirl Sexyback
*ifsfimon
*RE: The Anti-Jonas Campaign

'''Season 3: Foreshadow; The Clock Tells Tales'''
*11: Your Time Is Up
*Spitfire
*Bedtime Story
*D IN APHID
*4.mov
*Nobody Lies
*Tov v'Ra

'''Season 4: Something Wicked'''
*The Big Bad Wolffe
*RE: The Big Bad Wolffe
*Morior
*the red candle
*confIrmatIon
*She's Got Nothing On Me
*[1/4] I have been acqaunted with the night
*Spending Christmas Alone
*Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, Merrily
*December 28th
*Congratulations HSAO!!
*Queens and Kings

'''Season 5: Queen of Calamity'''
*Double Meanings and Dead Ends
*Or Maybe Not
*Let Her Eat Cake?
*D'rash and Ramez
*Once Upon A Time...
*The Search for Veritas
*Lo Zeh Tov
*The Breakdown
*The Invitation Pt. I (Double Posted)
*Prelude to Treachery
*And As Such
*Middle
*Check: The Meeting
*Deaf and Dumb
*The Invitation pt. 2
*departed soul
*Not Blind Or
*1. Communication
*The Greater Good
*Set The Example
*Backstabber
*Noops
*One Way

==Knock Thrice==

In order to contact Sister, one had to go through the process of knocking. This was a procedure in which one would email Simon (simonsayssister@gmail.com). Below is the procedure of knocking:

1. Identify yourself.
--> Say your name, YT account, and any other handles related to LG15.

2. Knock twice: "blah blah blah"
--> Knock twice is usually a hint to solving the password and it's usually a quote from a book (the most recent was from a movie...)

3. Knock thrice: Whisper the password

The password needed in the third knock would be the solution to a short code you received from Simon following your second knock. After correctly knocking three times, you would be given access to ProjectStatic.

As a note, you get three chances to do this correctly, after which Simon will no longer allow you to have access to Sister.

==GC Characters==
[[Image:Itrog.jpg|right|175px|thumb|The only GC canon character with a face to match their videos]]
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=GuillotineCalamity GuillotineCalamity] - Sister herself

[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=itrog Itrog] - Antoinette or Marie, an old friend

[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=serveshallslaves serveshallslaves] - Simon, an old friend who deserted the community

[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=autumnriley autumnriley] - Riley, always loyal to the community

[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=credoWw CredoWw] - Wolffe (W), Sister's "grandfather" and the head of the community

[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=codesintoveritas codesintoveritas] - Eli, who seems to know Riley. Riley's video, {{youtube|I0_L-8sc-OI|The Search for Veritas}}, seems to indicate that there is a connection.

[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=flyslyohmy flyslyohmy] This, apparently, is the account of sister's operation she works under in the order. After your third knock, Simon's clue will send you first to this YouTube Profile, then to the following:

[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ProjectStatic Project Static] Second YouTube profile Simon's response to a third knock will lead you to. This account was used by Double L's former lover Beatrice, or known by fans as B.

[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=tinny09 Timothy Crane] - Lara's cousin, and secret friend. Whom, after Lara's fall from grace, takes up a new name (Addmusic3039) and watches over sarahsnotebooks.

==Unconfirmed Characters==
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=OpGrey OpGrey] - An unknown operation. Sister denies contact, but the anagram was in her {{youtube|2pEv5x4A_bQ|She's Got Nothing On Me}} video. OpGrey anagrams to "Go Prey," which is in a couple of Sister's videos as well.

[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=flyslyohmy flyslyohmy] After your third knock, Simon's clue will send you first to this YouTube Profile, then to the following:

[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ProjectStatic Project Static] Second YouTube profile Simon's response to a third knock will lead you to.

[http://www.youtube.com/user/CirionE Cirion E.] Claims to be trying to defeat W, however all of his videos were deleted mysteriously.

[[TheLadyLazarus]] - Lady Lazarus, connection still under speculation

==Other Links==
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=xposingcalamity xposingcalamity] - Kevin, a fan who watches Sister and shares what he's decoded.

[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=thechartreuse TheChartreuse] - Lanie, Kevin's partner in crime who watches some of the secondary characters.

[http://www.sisterlovesyou.blogspot.com http://sisterlovesyou.blogspot.com] - Sister's blogger, which has information about Helena.

[http://www.xanga.com/sistersays101 http://www.xanga.com/sistersays101] Sister's second blog.

[[Category:User Generated Content]]

Talk:TheLadyLazarus

2008-08-08T18:24:28Z

LordGreystoke422:

''A lengthy version of this talk page was archived here: [[Talk:TheLadyLazarus/archive]]. Please begin any new discussion below.''--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:14, 30 January 2007 (CST)

Thank you very much. --[[User:Crowcity|Crowcity]]

== Cleanup? ==

This page has had a cleanup tag on it for a while. Do people still believe it is in need of a cleanup? If so, what are people looking for the page to have that it currently doesn't? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:30, 13 May 2007 (CDT)
:Well, for one, the page is just basically messy. I guess we're all to lazy to fix up poor Double L's page, and we'll just leave the cleanup tag on until one brave soul decides to clean it up. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 19:31, 18 May 2007 (CDT)

== New Video ==

New video entitled {{youtube|nwEv-DZEFrw|Irh Kampf}}. Quite amazing for Lazarus, I must say. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 19:25, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

== Cleanup -- Complete? ==
Okay, so I sat down today and attempted to give this page a good cleanup (with the help of some great info from Kenny). I think it looks good now, good enough to get rid of the cleanup tag anyways. I think Kenny will be building video pages for the individual vids... or we should just remove all the vids and simply link to them on YouTube (I actually think this is preferable, any thoughts?). But yes, basically wanted to get opinions before I removed the cleanup tag. Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:10, 19 July 2007 (CDT)

These pages along with its 2 related series GC and OpScorn are examples of whats wrong with the series..they are complex and should have been tier 4 or 5. they were neat and complete..and marked for deletion..talk about a morale downer.. I am removing the deletion tags as the tier system is dead.--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 13:24, 8 August 2008 (CDT)

TheLadyLazarus

2008-08-08T18:22:16Z

LordGreystoke422:

{{Person
| name = TheLadyLazarus
| image = LadyLaz.jpg
| first = Lady Lazarus
| last = Conversations with Dead People
| age =
| birthday =
| myspace =
| email =
| forum-posts =
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'''TheLadyLazarus''' a.k.a. '''Codename: Double L''' is a very mysterious fan fiction character connected to the [[GuillotineCalamity]] (aka Sister) ARG Arc on YouTube. The contributor of this character introduced LL by utilizing lines from the poem "''Lady Lazarus''" by Sylvia Plath in the first ten videos.

== What is known about [Codename: DoubleL] ==
As of yet, there is not very much information out there on LadyLazarus (AKA "LL" or Double L.) There are more questions than answers concerning this character. One of the biggest questions is whether "Lady" Lazarus is in fact a lady.... Recent discussions on the [http://z8.invisionfree.com/CodenameTripleKnot CTK Forums] have led players to believe that LL is actually a man. Of course it hasn't helped that we never really see LL's face as it is usually covered by a strange mask. Even so, LL's face has also been blurred, smudged and faded in some videos.

The change of the name from TheLadyLazarus to Double L has made it easier to create the ambiguity of gender.

Another big question is Double L's relation to Sister. There are some players who swear that DoubleL has been a truly evil character from the beginning. While it is true that her first set of videos were definitely not of a jovial nature, her more recent actions do not reciprocate such intentions.

As of late, Double L seems to be quite friendly with GuillotineCalamity. In her newfound blog a message warning Sister of her grandfather, W was decrypted. Oddly enough, this wasn't the first time Double L has sent Sister a message of warning concerning W. Though, for the sake of argument, this may also be seen as DoubleL taunting Sister about being chased.

Double L and Sister.... Friends or foes?

In all "TheLadyLazarus", "LL", "Double L", or whatever you want to call him/her is an incredibly complicated character, and will continue to be so until he/she chooses to reveal more about themself.

== Video Clues and URLs ==

Early on in the series, Double L sent out a series of emails, received by members of the CodenameTripleKnot Forums, which, when put together spelled out LL's catch phrase "Hell Hath No Fury Like A Woman Scorned." There was an issue with these notes, however, as there was obviously more to the message than was receieved.

==Double L's Blog==
[[Image:12111494.jpg|right|175px|thumb|LL's blog userpic]]
Double L has made several posts into his/her recently made blog on [http://codenamedoublel.livejournal.com/ LiveJournal]. The first two blogs each featured a letter to a character she calls "''B''" (this character is later confirmed to be YouTube user [[ProjectStatic]]). Both letters tell coherent stories, but are, in actuality, two coded messages.

===The Sebald Code===
On Double L's blog description there is always a hint as to which code she may be using in her current blog. For these two entries it was found that LL was utilizing the {{wikipedia|V.F.D._Codes|Sebald Code}}, which was first mentioned in {{wikipedia|Lemony_Snicket:_The_Unauthorized_Autobiography|Lemony Snicket: The Unauthorized Autobiography}}, and attributed to {{wikipedia|Gustav_Sebald|Dr. Gustav Sebald}}. The Sebald code is very easy to spot and almost as easy to read... if you know how. The key to spotting a Sebald code is any ringing sound. In the case of DoubleL's letters to "''B''" it was was the tell-tale "ring-ring" imitating a phone. Whenever that ringing is heard, the code has intiated! The first word after the ring is in code, then every 11th word is in code. When ringing is heard again, the code ends.

===Blog 1===
"'''Dearest B'''" Posted, January 23rd, 2007:
The blog is written in plain script, unencrypted in any way (other than the Sebald code mentioned above.) After using the Sebald code technique, the following message was found within the letter.

:''guillotine calamity beware W is near He will get You you won't live DoubleL.''

===Blog 2===
"'''Fall is dory. Horn Fist Hu.'''" Posted, January 24th, 2007:
:''This blog, the second letter to "B" is believed to be a bit more important than the first, due to it being quite heavily encrypted, this time. The message had gone through multiple stages of encoding. The blog itself was posted in morse code. This was decoded to find it in binary. Decoding from binary the team found that the message was written in reverse text.''

Of course, the team still ran the message through the Sebald code gambit, which revealed another hidden message:
:''B her eyes are black now I'm scared DoubleL''

Also of note in the second blog entry is that an anagram was found in the title:
:"''L is for Lady, H is for Hurt''"

==The Videos==
[[Image:Watching 2.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Lady Lazarus supposedly at [[the park]] from the videos [[In The Park]], [[The Action of an Enemy - Be Careful]], and [[When I Get To The Bottom Where I Stop]]]]
* {{youtube|_uKeIY_cBJw|Lady Lazarus}} -- December 31st, 2006
* {{youtube|wq--ziX_Non8|Hunt}} -- January 1st, 2007
* {{youtube|xF_Dt425kEA|Everything's Brown}} -- January 1st, 2007
* {{youtube|omwkwN0h1T8|Clip Art 3}} -- January 1st, 2007
* {{youtube|n6cxolf--Cik|Just Let Go}} -- January 1st, 2007
* {{youtube|5Nwdn8ucSTQ|Nothing is static.}} -- January 10th, 2007
* {{youtube|4zaKD27W0Xc|The Message}} -- January 14th, 2007
* {{youtube|dGQwnBOKOh4|Beware}} -- January 15th, 2007
[[Image:Hell hath 2.jpg|right|175px|thumb|The second TinyPic URL photo that raised some questions, seeing as it has LL's mask over Lg15's face]]
In the "Rebirth Of Cassie" videos he/she has left various clues for the players to think on. Some of them in the form of tiny codes... Each of the clues we were left within these videos were tiny codes that turned out to be [http://www.tinypic.com tinypic] URLs. Each picture found in their respective tinyurl had Double L's signature mask in them... many times.

=== {{youtube|IHFYcVqgyNs|[Cassie(?)<nowiki>]</nowiki> Part I}} January 20th, 2007 ===
*'''Code:''' ''[http://www.tinypic.com/2co0z01 2co0z01]''
*'''Picture:''' A general montage of scary LL masks with the word "''Hell''" superimposed on the pic.

=== {{youtube|8RJBEiuF5yo|[Cassie(?)<nowiki>]</nowiki> Part II}} January 23rd, 2007 ===
*'''Code:''' ''[http://www.tinypic.com/403ip79 403ip79]''
*'''Picture:''' A montage of scary LL masks, with a picture of [[Bree]] (wearing a scary LL mask) in the center. The backdrop was of [[Jonas's house]]. The words "''hath no''" were superimposed on the picture.

=== {{youtube|8RJBEiuF5yo|[Cassie(?)<nowiki>]</nowiki> Part III (Through the Wall)}} January 26th, 2007 ===
*'''Code:''' ''[http://www.tinypic.com/2poqgpz 2poqgpz]''
*'''Picture:''' A montage of scary LL masks, a "Bree-head" with a partially superimposed mask, and the word "''fury''" superimposed onto the image.

=== {{youtube|8RJBEiuF5yo|[Cassie(?)<nowiki>]</nowiki> Part IV}} January 28th, 2007 ===
*'''Code:''' ''[http://www.tinypic.com/48efdz5 48efdz5]''
*'''Picture:''' A montage of scary LL masks, a picture of Jonas wearing an LL mask, LL's mismatched blue and brown eyes keeping watch, the word "''like''" superimposed on the picture.

=== {{youtube|6KYiiReH1Ys|Heed This Warning}} -- January 30th, 2007 ===

=== {{youtube|8RJBEiuF5yo|[Cassie(?)<nowiki>]</nowiki> Part V}} February 2nd, 2007 ===
*'''Code:''' ''[http://www.tinypic.com/2cmwzh0 2cmwzh0]''
*'''Picture:''' A montage of scary masks, the word "''a''" superimposed onto the picture.

===The Catch Phrase===
When put together, the phrases in the pictures spell out "HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE A WOMAN SCORNED"

=== {{youtube|azv9s1kYoNE|[Cassie(?)<nowiki>]</nowiki> Part VI}} -- February 16th, 2007 ===
=== {{youtube|wczEqWvX53A|[Cassie(?)<nowiki>]</nowiki> Part VII}} -- February 16th, 2007 ===
=== {{youtube|jCtz55l43y4|Revelations}} -- February, 17th, 2007 ===
* {{youtube|gOvLKB6jClI|I Think That I Would Die}} -- February 23, 2007
* {{youtube|gZfcVK6WN_o|(R)evolution}} -- March 14, 2007
* {{youtube|OU7Qh4RRuNE|[Revol(t)<nowiki>]</nowiki>ution. Evolve. Softer. Softest.}} -- April 25, 2007
* {{youtube|nwEv--DZEFrw|Ihr Kampf}} -- May 18, 2007
* {{youtube|WVa--8X5PoM4|Watching, Singing, Waiting}} -- July 03, 2007
* {{youtube|--P--retdw7PU|A girl I called Coma White}} -- July 12, 2007
* {{youtube|cHAlx1ryav8|Track 99}} -- August 07, 2007
* {{youtube|0ulpwPPxLHs|The Exchange}} -- August 13, 2007
* {{youtube|r06mrS7f0h4|0, V, XIII}} -- August 17th, 2007
* {{youtube|t_Gt2CwRQT0|I open at the close}} -- August 23rd, 2007
* {{youtube|wl77IA5B2oo|The Forest Again}} -- September 06th, 2007
* {{youtube|pqsCwdaCi0Y|Conversations with Dead People}} -- September 09th, 2007

'''Note:''' The first ten videos (compiled in 'Lady Lazarus') have been removed, but when complied in reverse order, they formed the sentence "''If Looks Could Kill Then I Would Make Myself Blind''".

== Game Ended? ==
On March 25th, 2007, someone claiming to be the Puppet Master for TheLadyLazarus posted a message on an LGpedia Admistrator's page stating that he is ending this [[ARG]]. Shortly after, the writers and PM of Guillotine Calamity confirmed that they will write the rest of LL's story. However, it now seems that he has taken the reigns much more and severed ties with GC to create a more lg15-centric ARG.

== Series Finale ==
Some time ago it was [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=113&t=13007&sid=c323b9b16b41c638b338266b2a94d0dd announced] on the LG15 forums that a series finale is being planned, and will be released in six parts. It is noted that it was originally intended for August, and all but the final video was posted.

More recently the account has been closed which suspiciously coincides with former character Tinny09's last video "Conclusion: The vindictive cousin" The last frame of the video has The Lady Lazarus's account URL and the option "Close Account" in brackets. Oddly enough the video description has the number six in it, so could this be the last part of the series finale?

== Operation SCORN ==
It seems a YouTube profile named [[OpScorn]] is stalking Double L, and apparently has his mask.

== Links ==
*[[ProjectStatic]] A YouTube user named "''B''", who is the character that Double L writes to in his/her blog.

[[Category:User Generated Content]]

OpScorn

2008-08-08T18:21:27Z

LordGreystoke422:

[[Image:Eye.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The symbol]]
[[Image:OpScorn logo.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The logo]]

'''Operation SCORN''' a.k.a. '''OpScorn''' is a [[TheLadyLazarus]]-based ARG centered around videos in relation to the world of Double L and the characters inside it.

==The Videos==

==={{youtube|dr9C75cS5E0|Lose Something?}}===
-Video Description-

'''1/7

'''A INEPTIO NO OR: BE SERVO'''

In this video we see TheLadyLazarus' mask, pinned up to a wall. This is followed by a shot of a note with the [[OpAphid]] symbol scribbled on, the paper being burned.
The music in this video is lifted from the lonelygirl15 video [[The Human Ransom]].

==={{youtube|BZmdZVNJDfo|Operation SCORN}}===
-Video Description-

'''2/7

'''I REAP POINT NO: PYRE

This video introduces the OpScorn logo, made to look like the OpAphid counterpart.
The video has lifted audio from the backmasked message in the OpAphid video [[Lose Something?]].

==={{youtube|MAoufEzwvmk|The Dump}}===
-Video Description-

'''3/7

'''CROSS INN: A BEAST GO

'''We were confident that right and truth would prevail, and I would be acquitted and we would devote the rest of our lives working to create a justice system here in the Order. The guilty verdict has strengthened that resolve.

This video is the first to feature the redesign of the red watcher symbol (the ends now curved and pointed). It shows a garbage dump, which has been featured in several of TheLadyLazarus' videos, including {{youtube|5Nwdn8ucSTQ|Nothing is static.}} and {{youtube|gOvLKB6jClI|I Think That I Would Die}} (in which the colors are inverted).

==={{youtube|pTBG98z8Q0A|Who Is Alex?}}===
-Video Description-

'''4/7

'''C IN SCORN: CAPTURE

This video features lifted clips from [[Alex Is...]] as well as [[Lucy!?!?!]] and [[Valentine's Day Massacre]].

==={{youtube|KGmWnaXtxrA|Line-up}}===
-Video Descrption-

'''5/7

'''NO CON SIR: DO I REVER

'''We were confident that right and truth would prevail, and I would be acquitted and we would devote the rest of our lives working to create a justice system here in the Order. The guilty verdict has strengthened that resolve.

This video features video stills of the bloggers who were at the time the suspect new "ceremony girl". It includes [[Taylor]] and [[Jules]]. It also includes a shot of the Lady Lazarus version of Cassie, her eyes completely black.

==={{youtube|ynwDTVf4qdc|Danny Vanitas}}===
-Video Description-

'''6/7

'''One might be confused in their search for veritas. And one might seek our guidance in these times of vanitas.
'''We'll be watching.'''

This video features distorted clips from the video [[Quitting The Sauce]] as well as
[[Psychological Torture]]. The audio has been lowered, with a low humming track in the background. It may imply that Daniel remembered their kidnapping, and Jonas chose not to tell him when he woke up. Also, at the very end a voice can be heard saying "Do you believe in ghosts, Bree?", which is a phrase used in the LadyLazarus video {{youtube|nwEv-DZEFrw|Ihr Kampf}}.

==={{youtube|1ucsMdRIh2U|The Second Drop}}===
-Video Description-

'''7/7

'''SCORN INN: I LENT AZURE

This video completes the "Set of Seven" puzzle (see the video descrption). It is a video response to the video {{youtube|0ulpwPPxLHs|The Exchange}} (in which LL picks up a drop left by OpScorn) and plays a tape left by LL. This is the first account of TheLadyLazarus speaking. He also elaborates on the tarot cards left by OpScorn. At the end the tape is seen being crushed, followed by the words "THIS ISN'T OVER".
<br clear="all" />

[[Category:User Generated Content]]

Talk:OpScorn

2008-08-08T18:20:51Z

LordGreystoke422:

Discussion page.

Its a series of 4 fan fiction videos and related puzzles. Thats about all I can tell you:)--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 03:18, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

:Does it related at all to LG15? Is there any more info we should add? Should we even have it here at all? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:37, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

yes, I believe we should keep it here. As a long-time player of the GC/LL ARG, I believe it doesn't get enough coverage as it is. Instead of deleting it, simply put more information on the individual characters.

I am de-nominating this article for deletion. I have edited it and added as much info as I know. Anyone disagree? --[[User:216.58.125.195]]

:No, it looks great! Thanks for your help! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:03, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

See the above discussion?..these pages are complete along with GC and LL, 2 related series. This is a clear example of what was wrong with the Tier system.. These pages had been cleaned and completed..the stories complex enough that they should have been tier 4 or 5..yet despite ALL that work..they were targeted for deletion. Since the tier system is dead..off comes these tags.--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 13:20, 8 August 2008 (CDT)

Talk:I Was Here

2008-08-08T06:11:48Z

LordGreystoke422:

Part of the reason for the creation of this page was to remember some of those notable players in the early Cassie days that helped us move things along and get use hooked. Its small part of my attempt to try and recreate the magic that was the CiW experience. The people of note like Kemlite will get their own discussion pages. Most won't..they'll get a little blurb on the page..if that.
The other reason is now..we have a place to stick the folks that go POOF...and possibly facilitate the removal of their pages, yet still allow us to keep a history of them.
--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 01:11, 8 August 2008 (CDT)

Maccaboy17

2008-08-08T06:11:01Z

LordGreystoke422:

{{delete|This page has been marked for deletion due to the cancellation of the creators videos for over one year.}}

'''Maccaboy17''' is a revver user who has made a series of videos about the Order

== Video links ==

Talk:I Was Here

2008-08-08T06:04:16Z

LordGreystoke422:

Talk:I Was Here

2008-08-08T06:03:31Z

LordGreystoke422: New page: Part of the reason for the creation of this page was to remember some of those notable players in the early Cassie days that helped us move things along and get use hooked. Its small part...

Part of the reason for the creation of this page was to remember some of those notable players in the early Cassie days that helped us move things along and get use hooked. Its small part of my attempt to try and recreate the magic that was the CiW experience. The people of note like Kemlite with get their own discussion pages. Most won't..they'll get a little blurb on the page..if that.
The other reason is now..we have a place to stick the folks that go POOF...and possibly facilitate the removal of their pages, yet still allow us to keep a history of them.

I Was Here

2008-08-08T05:57:29Z

LordGreystoke422:

Since the formation of the [[Lonelygirl15]] and the community that surrounds it, there have been many community content creators that have come and gone taking their content with them. Some of these creators were of significant note, such as Kemlite, the mysterious Marine that some suggest might have been the PM behind CassieIsWatching, while others like...Ummm what's his name..that didnt make a big impact. This page is for them..those that have fallen, but may return. This is our way of remembering them and helping them to say, "I was here!" Welcome to the ash heap of history.

[[Kemlite]]-a mysterious Marine that some suspect may have been the [[CassieIsWatching]] puppet master.

Maccaboy17- A Revver responder that started as a responder to [[LordGreystoke422]]'s videos and started his own fight against the order with his 3 videos. Suddenly, his account was deleted and nothing more heard from him. Did the Order get him? Or more likely, did he get in trouble for discharging a firearm in the UK? We may never know.
#1 Chasing the Order in Britain
#2 Where my tips led me
#3 Attacking the Order

[[WatchingCassie]]-An early cassie sleuther noted for her audio deciphering skills.

I Was Here

2008-08-08T05:51:22Z

LordGreystoke422: Created a single page to cover UGC creators that disappeared.

Since the formation of the Lonelygirl15 and the community that surrounds it, there have been many community content creators that have come and gone taking their content with them. Some of these creators were of significant note, such as Kemlite, the mysterious Marine that some suggest might have been the PM behind CassieIsWatching, while others like...Ummm what's his name..that didnt make a big impact. This page is for them..those that have fallen, but may return. This is our way of remembering them and helping them to say, "I was here!" Welcome to the ash heap of history.

[[Kemlite]]-a mysterious Marine that some suspect may have been the CassieIsWatching puppet master.

Maccaboy17- A Revver responder that started as a responder to LordGreystoke422's videos and started his own fight against the order with his 3 videos. Suddenly, his account was deleted and nothing more heard from him. Did the Order get him? Or more likely, did he get in trouble for discharging a firearm in the UK? We may never know.
#1 Chasing the Order in Britain
#2 Where my tips led me
#3 Attacking the Order

[[WatchingCassie]]-An early cassie sleuther noted for her audio deciphering skills.

LGPedia talk:Lucy's Balcony/Fanfic revamp

2008-08-07T15:38:12Z

LordGreystoke422: /* What to do now */

I'd like to lend my modest voice to the deletion of this dead project.[[User:ApotheosisAZ|Apo]] 01:53, 6 August 2008 (CDT)
::Agreed. This project and it's pages should be held to the same standards it was trying to impose.--[[User:Immortal1|Immortal1]] 17:18, 6 August 2008 (CDT)

As I stated in the Deletion tag, I think the same logic with regards to fanfiction/user generated content that was so greatly discussed be applied here. It seems its chief architect abandoned the project, like many creators of content, leaving a rotting corpse. But unlike fanfiction which ADDED to the Pedia. This whole discussion has resulted in nothing but wasted time..and effort that could have gone into creating a much richer and broader reference material for this EXTENDED community of which we are all a part. Having been here from the EARLY days..I can tell you..this was intended to be about INCLUSIVITY and not Exclusivity. This whole project has done nothing to foster greater belonging..and it has done EVERYTHING it suggested that User Generated content did..Clutter the pedia..with half completed projects..spread out over multiple pages...a sprawl that almost no fanfiction could compete with. It also has resulted in the VERY unsightly creation of many tags and notes at the top of the pages...that pervade the Pedia..and encourage new editors to NOT post..because their work very well may be discard. So... Do I have any seconds? Seems I was seconded before I finished...
--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 01:59, 6 August 2008 (CDT)
::If we spend more time discussing and defending how to organize content than producing quality content it seems counter productive. --[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 02:02, 6 August 2008 (CDT)

Destruction of history is one of the greatest sins of mankind. Remember the library of Alexandria that was burned to ashes? Can we not learn from our mistakes and leave well enough alone? Why do we have to fit everything into a neat little tiny box? [[User:GregGallows|GregGallows]]

Well, I'd tend to agree with the deletion of documents, it must be noted that some information has been lost already. Barring that though, it must be noted that LG15 (and all attached blogs, fanfics, wikis and more) is a community. A community that brings together all sorts of people from around the web. People were welcomed to creatively add to the expanding Breeniverse as they please. As every author, actor and videographer is equal so is every work of fiction.

This teir system, along with being an article that could do with some cleaning up, creates an exclusive enviroment that is contrary to that of the original intent of the Lonelygirl15 community.

Taking into consideration Greg's comment, though, I suggest that this article be rendered obsolete and clearly noted as such so that there be no confusion and so that the inclusive, community enviroment be maintained and no one feel ostersized by their works, which are all creatively equal.

--[[User:Zudit|Zudit]] 03:32, 6 August 2008 (CDT)

CdnMatt: As far as complete removal of documents, I believe that all works created (weather current or historical) should remain contained within the Fan-Fiction Portal page. Credit should be given openly as the user can judge to view or not view the link.

Portal Page:
This document could contain much of the information that is discussed previously (including links to the fan-fic site, main characters, banner identification, name, overview, and #vids). The Portal should be set up as a grid-system to initially contain the name of the Fan-Fic and below the name - the banner or hyperlink to their respective site. The next section could contain a brief overview that is somewhat similar to the site's main-page overview.

The main purpose of this project would be to allow ease of access to fan-fiction pages and allow viewers to judge their preference for the series and/or return back to the portal to continue access to other series-sites. By doing this - we negate any need for a tier-system and eliminate any back-lash from the hard-work that people put in towards producing their series.

CdnMatt --[[User: CdnMatt|CdnMatt]] 05:08, 6 August 2008 (EST)

I'd also like to nominate this page for deletion as I agree with all the points brought up in favor of it thus far. --[[User:JenniPowell|JenniPowell]] 08:35, 6 August 2008 (EST)

== What to do now ==

Hey everyone, thanks for posting. It's nice to see so many names on one page; it seems like we don't have useful discussions around here as much as we used to. It is of course true that this revamp has not gone anywhere for months, and I think one reason for that is that it is rather complicated. For example, the [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/Fanfic revamp#Flock Regulations|Flock Regulations]] as they are outlined would require a fair amount of work to keep up with and enforce, and I for one do not have the time nor would I want to devote the time to doing that.

On the other hand, what we have now doesn't work either. Pages and series get neglected, and it makes LGPedia look incomplete and messy. That was the whole reason the revamp was started in the first place. So we can't just throw it out and go back to how things were. The goal is organization and presentability, not exclusion.

If the tier system is unpopular, what do people think would work better? Ideally, we'd have a system that's not complicated, but keeps the pedia looking acceptable and also gives fan series the opportunity for a presence if they want one. Any suggestions?

(I see no reason to delete this page now, as it can provide some insight into what we should do. I'm sure some of the same issues will come up.)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 03:21, 7 August 2008 (CDT)

::I think one key is to allow people to start a single page for a new series without the "deletion tag" being thrown on there in a matter of days. We need to be more sensitive to the needs of the community and the impact such tags have on morale. Someone might also create a simple "recommended" template that could be posted on the talk page of any new series page created. That would provide a rough suggested format for a page and suggested guidelines that could be followed on a voluntary basis. I do not think we need to rehash the old discussion. This is more about keeping the pedia as friendly and open to new users, new formats and new ideas as possible while still recognising the administrative needs of the pedia.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 06:55, 7 August 2008 (CDT)

::::::I totally concur with what ModelMotion said. He and I have very similar perspectives on the Pedia. We believe in inclusivity over exclusivity. We also both left the Pedia for a lot of the same reasons. The ultimate solution to the problem is more editors. Obviously, that's easier said than done but I am going to reveal how to slowly swell the ranks of the editors. Don't run them off and don't discourage them before they get started. More on this later...but back to the main topic. I understand the concern about keeping the Pedia looking neat... However most concerned with this are looking at it from the paradigm of the all knowing Admin/serious editor. The average schlep coming into LGpedia doesn't click the recent changes tab. They don't scan the overall page list or have a page they are watching. The average schlep just wants to look something up. IF they come here and find a bunch of pages with deletion tags on them, they certainly do not feel very empowered to write about something. They just turn around and leave. Deletion tags are EXCLUSIVE. Also..let's look at what this need for neatness has led to. Look at the User Generated content pages. There is a little sticky or a deletion tag at the top of all of them...NOW that is NOT clean and neat. It looks awful. Also as I pointed out in the nomination this process became EVERYTHING it was intended to attempt to address. Its a BIG ugly looking mess that is a dead end..and created more work than maintaining the pages in question could EVER have done. When I first came back and started looking around the Pedia, I saw the state of how User Generated Content was being handled and my dog ended up hiding under the bench. For one...I COULDN'T find it. Its been shoved so far into the closet I had to look under the golf clubs, the bowling ball, 3 empty shoe boxes, "AHhhh there it is." Now to someone like Jon that has been here the whole time, where it is, is more than obvious. To a Noob or a retread like me, its hidden. Now what are the solutions...INCLUSIVITY. IF an article is short and incomplete... Don't stick a deletion tag on it..Use the STUB. The Stub encourages someone else to work on it. While it MIGHT look bad, think of it as the worm on the hook. It's bait for new editors. Someone comes across an article..sees the stub tag and says..I can add to this..and jumps in. It could be a fairly inconsequential article..it doesn't matter...someone was motivated to write it so someone may be motivated to finish it. Think of stub tags as bait and deletion tags as repellent for new editors. Which would you rather have all over the place? One that may motivate someone or one that reduces their morale before it even gets started? I think everything needs to be looked at from the paradigm of "Does this ADD information to the Pedia and does it add to the community or does this take away information from the Pedia and detract from the community ". I think this tier system OBVIOUSLY took away from the community. It created a Caste system which most people didnt want to deal with. Folks don't want the drama of having to discuss and justify EVERY single thing they do. Most people avoided this discussion because they didn't want to be false logiced and Flow chart syllogismed to death. I have yet to speak to someone that thinks these tiers are a good idea...its obvious they aren't. It creates a bureaucracy where one was not needed. Bureaucracies are inherently inefficient as they add unneeded steps to a process. The effort and work put into the creation and discussion of this one could have been funneled elsewhere. I think this whole thing needs to be archived in some DEEP dark corner so we can peek in and be reminded of just what the bloat of government can cause. Wiki is intended to be an organic process..one that grows and changes over time. That leads to more information and more contributors over time. Adding too many rules just bogs down the creative process and discourages others from joining. People dont want to learn a car load of rules..and have overly dramatic discussions about pretty trivial stuff...they will just go watch a few bad videos instead. Now let me give a few examples of some things. There was a creator named [[Maccaboy17]] that jumped on with videos that referenced mine and took things his own way..for 3 videos. Being the inclusionist that I am, I added a page for him. Suddenly, his videos stopped and he even closed his accounts. Now pay attention to the discussion on his page and the histories. I left not that long after this..but this was a case where...deleting the page should have been easy..and others had seen it..but instead of simply DOING it..it led to this whole major discussion that...did more harm than it could ever do good. For now, we should delete no articles as I have a plan working with Model to handle it..but more on that later. Another important point I want to make out is...most people are not going to find all these partial articles...it really only looks bad to the admin...and then..only if you look at it. You might say...but we DO look at it..and I suggest..there are a lot of other places you can look instead. We all know you guys have 6 gajillion projects and you work rather hard...this is not an implication you are slackers...but..look how the Welcome page was neglected before I started to alter it. It has a button on the left that shows on EVERY page cause its always there on the left right under community. So I think we can admit..its fairly prominent. Yet it had information on there about KateModern that had not been updated since the show started... Now THAT looks bad. Its a basic ENTRY page..and yet its not maintained. Also...I really think Lucy's balcony shouldnt be over there. YES it makes it easy for the regulars to get to...but it makes it easy for the noobs too...and with discussions like the UGC revamp..its gonna make people in to Sir Robyn of Monty Python's Holy Grail fame...and they will run away..bravely run away away...but I digress...sorta...but not really...the order of the day should be to ENCOURAGE and not DISCOURAGE. Ultimately, my point is..if a page as prominent and important as the welcome page can be over looked for so long...do we really need to worry about partial pedia pages for a series? It may be a partial page..and someone is bored and comes along...finds a new series to watch..and then decides they want to spruce the page up. We just need to remember..this can take LONG periods of time...we don't have millions of people using this pedia every day so it takes longer for things to happen. Those of you working every day so diligently in the trenches here notice the dead bodies...but when the bullets are still flying over head...the reinforcements aren't that worried about it...they would rather attend to the wounded..and move the battle forward while not getting shot their self Now just like a battle...the dead bodies NEED to be attended to..its just not a priority. Ultimately if the creators are allowed to create and the organizers allowed to organize we can all get somewhere on this dead horse...but if instead we discuss it...like we are now...and it goes on forever and restricts people..it will get no where. So lets not talk to much..let's act.. Model, ,myself and some others have some plans where we intend to more prominently expose the Community Content. Hopefully this will get a few people at least exposed to some things they havent seen before..and maybe encourage some of those that have been run off to come back and help.
--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 10:38, 7 August 2008 (CDT)

LGPedia:Welcome

2008-08-06T18:04:47Z

LordGreystoke422:

__NOTOC__
{| style="background-color: #e8e8e8; border-spacing: 5px; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0;"

|colspan="2" valign="top" style="background-color: #D7A7E7; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 10px;"|<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Welcome to LGPedia</div>
Welcome to the [[LGPedia]], an online encyclopedia designed around the on-going lonelygirl15 series. This is a wiki, which allows anyone to edit it, including you. This means that we can provide the most complete, accurate information which will update as the series does.
|-

|width="50%" valign="top" style="background-color: #D7A7E7; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 10px;"|<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Who is this lonelygirl15?</div>
[[Lonelygirl15]] began in May 2006 on [[YouTube]] when a young girl named [[Bree]] started posting videos about her life, her religion, and her relationship with a boy named [[Daniel]]. The videos quickly grew to have a huge following, but fans began to suspect that Bree was not real. After [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|a lot of sleuthing]] fans of the series discovered that Bree was in fact an actress, played by [[Jessica Lee Rose]] and that the show was a production.

Since the reveal, the show has continued with new videos released several times a week, new characters and even an [[Alternate Reality Game]]. While the videos still appear on YouTube, the show is now hosted at [[lg15.com]]. Many fans of lonelygirl15 have created their own stories, and in addition to the lonelygirl15 [[canon]] there are numerous [[LG15 Spin-offs|fan fiction]] series.

The LGPedia attempts to document it all: the story, the characters, the fans and what's happened behind the scenes. If you are unfamliar with the lonelygirl15 story, please feel free to examine [[The Story So Far...]] to gain an insight as to what has happened so far in the series. There are well over 400 lonelygirl15 videos now.

<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Who is KateModern?</div>
Thanks to the success of LG15, [[the Creators]] managed to strike a deal with social networking site [[Bebo]] to develop a similar series for the UK market. [[KateModern]] exists in the same universe as Lonelygirl15, but is based in London; according to [[Miles Beckett|Miles]], ''"The characters 'can' communicate with each other but it remains to be seen how much they will. Things like the Order, the Hymn of One, and all of that larger mythology will be in both series to varying degrees. Think of it like, the Order, HOO, the stuff about the blood, the girls, the Elders, etc. etc. are all the same across both shows. But, the characters and plot are different. [...]"''

KateModern's [[Fight and Flight|first video]] was released on July 17, and grew a large and loyal fan base across the pond in the UK with the help of Bebo. The series evolved over its 2 seasons which spanned about a year of actual time. The show racked up over 300 webisodes during its run. The series came to a close with The Final Work on June 28th, 2008, though it seems likely we have not seen the last of some members of the KateModern gang. Only time will tell.


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<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">What is Community Content?</div> Community content begins with '''YOU'''! With encouragement from TheCreators and easy access to quality cameras, sophisticated editing programs, and multi-media platforms such as YouTube, we are all creators now! Many users have already added creations of their own to the community. Most of these contributions take the form of videos, but also branch into audio, written content, and even live action interactive ARG's. There are many community video series that you can contribute to [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LG15_Spin-offs] and there are lists of pages that need additional work [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Ways_To_Help#Other_Excellent_Ways_To_Help].
<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">How to contribute</div>
If you'd like to contribute, we encourage you to [[Special:Userlogin|create an account with LGPedia]]. It's very quick, easy and free.

If you've never contributed to a wiki before, you can try playing in the [[LGPedia:Sandbox|sandbox]]. If you comment on any talk pages, please try to remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your post. If you see any [[LGPedia:Policy#Vandalism|vandalism]], please [[LGPedia:Reverting vandalism|revert]] it by following [[LGPedia:Reverting vandalism|these instructions]].

Also, be sure to check out the [[Help:Contents|help page]] for the basics of editing a wiki. Once you're familiar with wikis, you can visit the [[LGPedia:Community Portal|Community portal]] for ideas of where to help out. If you're planning to do any extensive editing, please check out the [[LGPedia:General style guide|style guide]] for tips.
|}

LGPedia:Welcome

2008-08-06T11:36:31Z

LordGreystoke422:

__NOTOC__
{| style="background-color: #e8e8e8; border-spacing: 5px; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0;"

|colspan="2" valign="top" style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 10px;"|<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Welcome to LGPedia</div>
Welcome to the [[LGPedia]], an online encyclopedia designed around the on-going lonelygirl15 series. This is a wiki, which allows anyone to edit it, including you. This means that we can provide the most complete, accurate information which will update as the series does.
|-

|width="50%" valign="top" style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 10px;"|<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Who is this lonelygirl15?</div>
[[Lonelygirl15]] began in May 2006 on [[YouTube]] when a young girl named [[Bree]] started posting videos about her life, her religion, and her relationship with a boy named [[Daniel]]. The videos quickly grew to have a huge following, but fans began to suspect that Bree was not real. After [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|a lot of sleuthing]] fans of the series discovered that Bree was in fact an actress, played by [[Jessica Lee Rose]] and that the show was a production.

Since the reveal, the show has continued with new videos released several times a week, new characters and even an [[Alternate Reality Game]]. While the videos still appear on YouTube, the show is now hosted at [[lg15.com]]. Many fans of lonelygirl15 have created their own stories, and in addition to the lonelygirl15 [[canon]] there are numerous [[LG15 Spin-offs|fan fiction]] series.

The LGPedia attempts to document it all: the story, the characters, the fans and what's happened behind the scenes. If you are unfamliar with the lonelygirl15 story, please feel free to examine [[The Story So Far...]] to gain an insight as to what has happened so far in the series. There are well over 400 lonelygirl15 videos now.

<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Who is KateModern?</div>
Thanks to the success of LG15, [[the Creators]] managed to strike a deal with social networking site [[Bebo]] to develop a similar series for the UK market. [[KateModern]] exists in the same universe as Lonelygirl15, but is based in London; according to [[Miles Beckett|Miles]], ''"The characters 'can' communicate with each other but it remains to be seen how much they will. Things like the Order, the Hymn of One, and all of that larger mythology will be in both series to varying degrees. Think of it like, the Order, HOO, the stuff about the blood, the girls, the Elders, etc. etc. are all the same across both shows. But, the characters and plot are different. [...]"''.

Not much is known about KateModern yet, as the [[Fight and Flight|first video]] was released on July 17, but we're confident we'll soon be able to cover KateModern just as well as LG15.


|valign="top" style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 10px;"|
<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">What is Community Content?</div> Community content beings with '''YOU'''! With encouragement from TheCreators and easy access to quality cameras, sophisitcated editing programs, and multi-media platforms such as YouTube, we are all creators now! Many users have already added creations of their own to the community. Most of these contributions take the form of videos, but also branch into audio, written content, and even live action interactive ARG's. There are many community video series that you can contribute to [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LG15_Spin-offs] and there are lists of pages that need additional work [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Ways_To_Help#Other_Excellent_Ways_To_Help].
<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">How to contribute</div>
If you'd like to contribute, we encourage you to [[Special:Userlogin|create an account with LGPedia]]. It's very quick, easy and free.

If you've never contributed to a wiki before, you can try playing in the [[LGPedia:Sandbox|sandbox]]. If you comment on any talk pages, please try to remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your post. If you see any [[LGPedia:Policy#Vandalism|vandalism]], please [[LGPedia:Reverting vandalism|revert]] it by following [[LGPedia:Reverting vandalism|these instructions]].

Also, be sure to check out the [[Help:Contents|help page]] for the basics of editing a wiki. Once you're familiar with wikis, you can visit the [[LGPedia:Community Portal|Community portal]] for ideas of where to help out. If you're planning to do any extensive editing, please check out the [[LGPedia:General style guide|style guide]] for tips.
|}

LGPedia:Welcome

2008-08-06T10:53:14Z

LordGreystoke422: Added Community video section

__NOTOC__
{| style="background-color: #e8e8e8; border-spacing: 5px; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0;"

|colspan="2" valign="top" style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 10px;"|<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Welcome to LGPedia</div>
Welcome to the [[LGPedia]], an online encyclopedia designed around the on-going lonelygirl15 series. This is a wiki, which allows anyone to edit it, including you. This means that we can provide the most complete, accurate information which will update as the series does.
|-

|width="50%" valign="top" style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 10px;"|<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Who is this lonelygirl15?</div>
[[Lonelygirl15]] began in May 2006 on [[YouTube]] when a young girl named [[Bree]] started posting videos about her life, her religion, and her relationship with a boy named [[Daniel]]. The videos quickly grew to have a huge following, but fans began to suspect that Bree was not real. After [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|a lot of sleuthing]] fans of the series discovered that Bree was in fact an actress, played by [[Jessica Lee Rose]] and that the show was a production.

Since the reveal, the show has continued with new videos released several times a week, new characters and even an [[Alternate Reality Game]]. While the videos still appear on YouTube, the show is now hosted at [[lg15.com]]. Many fans of lonelygirl15 have created their own stories, and in addition to the lonelygirl15 [[canon]] there are numerous [[LG15 Spin-offs|fan fiction]] series.

The LGPedia attempts to document it all: the story, the characters, the fans and what's happened behind the scenes. If you are unfamliar with the lonelygirl15 story, please feel free to examine [[The Story So Far...]] to gain an insight as to what has happened so far in the series. There are well over 400 lonelygirl15 videos now.

<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Who is KateModern?</div>
Thanks to the success of LG15, [[the Creators]] managed to strike a deal with social networking site [[Bebo]] to develop a similar series for the UK market. [[KateModern]] exists in the same universe as Lonelygirl15, but is based in London; according to [[Miles Beckett|Miles]], ''"The characters 'can' communicate with each other but it remains to be seen how much they will. Things like the Order, the Hymn of One, and all of that larger mythology will be in both series to varying degrees. Think of it like, the Order, HOO, the stuff about the blood, the girls, the Elders, etc. etc. are all the same across both shows. But, the characters and plot are different. [...]"''.

Not much is known about KateModern yet, as the [[Fight and Flight|first video]] was released on July 17, but we're confident we'll soon be able to cover KateModern just as well as LG15.


|valign="top" style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 10px;"|
<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">What is Community Content?</div> Community content beings with you! With the tools and access to forums at our disposal We are all creators now! Many users have already created creations of their own.
<div style="width: 100%; background-color: #e8e8e8; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding: 2px; text-align: center; font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">How to contribute</div>
If you'd like to contribute, we encourage you to [[Special:Userlogin|create an account with LGPedia]]. It's very quick, easy and free.

If you've never contributed to a wiki before, you can try playing in the [[LGPedia:Sandbox|sandbox]]. If you comment on any talk pages, please try to remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your post. If you see any [[LGPedia:Policy#Vandalism|vandalism]], please [[LGPedia:Reverting vandalism|revert]] it by following [[LGPedia:Reverting vandalism|these instructions]].

Also, be sure to check out the [[Help:Contents|help page]] for the basics of editing a wiki. Once you're familiar with wikis, you can visit the [[LGPedia:Community Portal|Community portal]] for ideas of where to help out. If you're planning to do any extensive editing, please check out the [[LGPedia:General style guide|style guide]] for tips.
|}

LGPedia talk:Lucy's Balcony/Fanfic revamp

2008-08-06T06:59:15Z

LordGreystoke422:

I'd like to lend my modest voice to the deletion of this dead project.[[User:ApotheosisAZ|Apo]] 01:53, 6 August 2008 (CDT)

As I stated in the Deletion tag, I think the same logic with regards to fanfiction/user generated content that was so greatly discussed be applied here. It seems its chief architect abandoned the project, like many creators of content, leaving a rotting corpse. But unlike fanfiction which ADDED to the Pedia. This whole discussion has resulted in nothing but wasted time..and effort that could have gone into creating a much richer and broader reference material for this EXTENDED community of which we are all a part. Having been here from the EARLY days..I can tell you..this was intended to be about INCLUSIVITY and not Exclusivity. This whole project has done nothing to foster greater belonging..and it has done EVERYTHING it suggested that User Generated content did..Clutter the pedia..with half completed projects..spread out over multiple pages...a sprawl that almost no fanfiction could compete with. It also has resulted in the VERY unsightly creation of many tags and notes at the top of the pages...that pervade the Pedia..and encourage new editors to NOT post..because their work very well may be discard. So... Do I have any seconds? Seems I was seconded before I finished...
--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 01:59, 6 August 2008 (CDT)

LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/Fanfic revamp

2008-08-06T06:50:44Z

LordGreystoke422: Deletion Nomination

{{delete|As this project has been all but abandoned for months, I suggest the same standard and logic that was utilized and discussed in it with regards to fanfiction be applied to it and that it be removed from the LGPedia. See Discussion}}

:'''''Phase 2 of the LGPedia UGC/Fanfic Revamp is currently in progress. Please do <u>not</u> initiate any further discussion - any late concerns with the current Tier listing can be addressed in later requests for re-evaluation.''' Click [[#Schedule|here]] for further information on the process.''

Note: Several resolved and abandoned discussions have been [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/Fanfic revamp/Archives|archived]] in order to keep the page tidy.

==Glossary==
{|width="50%"
!style="width: 6em;" valign="top"|Tier 1
|Tier 1 Fanfic is not notable enough to get listed on LGPedia. All vlogs not belonging to a series fall under this category. (Singular notable vlogs may be listed on a single listing page in the future.)
|-
!valign="top"|Tier 2
|Tier 2 Fanfic gets a single page with a few basic facts like creators, general plot/topic outline and maybe a list of characters.
|-
!valign="top"|Tier 3
|Tier 3 Fanfic gets a comprehensive single page, including a more detailed plot outline, episode lists, and similar additional information.
|-
!valign="top"|Tier 4
|Tier 4 Fanfic is fanfic that, under all objective considerations, should belong to Tier 3, but for some subjective or organizational reason are allowed to branch out and create more than one page. (An example would be that a series is rather small in notability, but has a high number of episodes, so that a separate list of videos makes more sense.)
|-
!valign="top"|Tier 5
|Tier 5 Fanfic are all "big" series, like OpAphid, Maddison Atkins or Redearth88. They get the same array of pages as canon series, including templates, character/actor pages and categories.
|}

==Criteria==
The important and sole decisive criterion is '''notability'''. Is a series notable enough to be listed at all, and, if yes, how notable is it?

Unfortunately, notability is very subjective. As such, we have to fall back on objective data to decide whether a series is notable. Such objective data can be:
*Did the series become canon at one point in its life? (Example: OpAphid)
*Did the series get a shoutout or referred to in a canon episode? (Example: Paulmark18)
*How many people in the community have seen the series? (Example: Maddison Atkins)
*How many people in the community have heard of the series? (Example: Immant, Cassieiswatching)
*How many views do the videos of the series have on average?
*How many episodes does the series have?
*How many main characters are there? (Just one vlogger, or an entire cast?)
*How big/complex is the production? (Just one vlogger with a webcam, or an entire crew with multiple sets and scripted episodes?)
*And, especially for Tier 4 series, is there anything special or exceptional that needs to be considered? (Example: Lonelygirl362436 - technically a rather small series, but highly notable because it was produced by the Creators, had Daniel in it and a well-known hollywood actress as its lead.)
*''[Please expand this list]''

==List of fan series currently archived on the pedia==
*[[The 707 clique]]
*[[Aaronbeast]]
*[[Acrowleyorder]]
*[[ApotheosisAZ]]
*[[Breeiswaiting]]
*[[Brucker]]
*[[Bubbleteagirl]]
*[[Cassie UGC]]
**[[Cassieiswatching]]
**[[itscassie]]
**[[breeiswaiting]]
**[[cassieresurrection]]
**[[frankiswaking]]
**[[frankiswaiting@gmail.com]]
*[[The Deacons (commenter)|The Deacons]]
*[[Deemontreal]]
*[[Dreams from the Breeniverse]]
*[[Elendi-Waffle Lonelistic Physics Research Institute (EWLPRI).|EWLPRI]]
*[[The Flock]]
*[[Fourthface]]
*[[GuillotineCalamity]]
*[[HOOBS]]
*[[The Homeschoolers Aggregate]]
*[[Immant]]
*[[Iris2009]]
*[[Iris network|The Iris Network]]
*[[Itscassie]]
*[[Kelseygirl15]]
*[[TheLadyLazarus]]
*[[Lonelydude15]]
*[[lonelygirl362436]]
*[[LonelyJew15]]
*[[LonesomeOctober]]
*[[LordGreystoke422]]
*[[Maccaboy17]]
*[[Maddison Atkins]]
*[[Marbella]]
*[[Masonishappy]]
*[[MessyNessy89]]
*[[Mission Anchor Cove]]
*[[MsBlackBetty]]
*[[N3ural N3t]]
*[[List of New Girl Candidates|New Girls]]
*[[OpAphid]]
*[[OpScorn]]
*[[Paulmark18]]
*[[ProjectStatic]]
*[[Redearth88]]
*[[RefusEtoBeliEveLies]]
*[[Sarahsnotebook]]
*[[StormFaction]]
*[[Scdgoofy]]
*[[Tannhaus]]
*[[UtNbErS tutlaEN]]
*[[Xeniph]]

==Suggested Tiers==
:''Please see [[LGPedia:UGC Tier List]]. Do not edit that page, though.''

==Mission==
We need your comments. Look at the series we already have, look at the series that exist that we don't have yet, and rate them using the criteria above. Try to determine whether a series is notable enough to be listed, and, if yes, which tier it belongs to. Remember to post your reasoning ;)
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 21:58, 20 January 2008 (CST)

==Schedule==
Almost exactly three months after this project has come to life, there now seems to be a large consent on the initial Tier listing; while there are still minor details to wait for until we can finalize the Tier 3/4 listing, Tiers 1 and 2 are finalized, and, as such, the Phases only related to these Tiers can begin.

'''As of Tuesday, April 1st, 2008, 03:26 GMT, Phase {{color|red|2}} of the LGPedia UGC/Fanfic Revamp is running.''' See below for details.

*The Revamp will proceed as follows
**{{color|green|'''Phase 1:''' Make a link-list of all Tier 1 fanfic, something along the lines of "List of additional user-generated content"; tag all Tier 1 and related pages for deletion.}}
**{{color|red|'''Phase 2:''' Find and tag Tier 2-related pages such as lists of videos, categories, templates video pages and so on. Write up basic pages for each series.}}
**'''Phase 3:''' Find and tag Tier 3-related pages such as lists of videos, categories, templates video pages and so on. Collapse information into the series pages where possible, write up extended pages for each series.
**'''Phase 4:''' Identify the current set of pages Tier 4 pages have, and check with the page-list which ones are needed, and which aren't. Tag/expand as necessary.
**'''Phase 5:''' Identify the current set of pages Tier 5 pages have, and check with the page-list which ones are needed. Expand as necessary.
**'''Phase 6:''' Find and correct references to UGC content.
**'''Phase 7:''' Declare Revamp over.
**'''Phase 8:''' Monitor UGC/fanfic expansion, re-evaluate tier status where necessary, assess new UGC/fanfic, keep fanfic-list up to date, control [[#Flock Regulations|Flock Regulations]].

===Page-list===
*Central portal
*List of videos
*Templates:
**Bottom index
**Customized sidebar template (For less than ten episodes, use [[Template:FakeBlog]] directly. Otherwise, create a pass-through template for FakeBlog. No non-canon series gets its own, independent sidebar.)
*Character pages
*Actor pages
*Categories to group it all together

==Flock Regulations==
The basic point of these regulations is, independent from any criterion spelled out in writing below, that The Flock's pages must look neither dead, unmaintained nor messy. The reason The Flock was granted Tier 4 status was because Immo vouched to make sure his pages would be maintained either by himself or his fans. Should it, at any point, be apparent that this is not the case, Tier 4 status will be revoked, and The Flock will be collapsed into a Tier 3 page.<br>
Reasons for revocation can be:
*Episode pages are not added within three days after an episode's release, or are still "barebones", lacking parts of sidebar information.
*Transcripts have not been added within one week of the episode's release.
*The portal's list of videos has not been updated within two days after an episode's release.
*New main characters are not added to the portal within three days.
*New main characters do not have a character page within four days.
*The "Plot background" or similar sections on character pages stay outdated for more than two weeks.
*The "Last Appearance" link has not been updated within two days after an episode's release.
*The portal is kept "untidy", having dead links, superfluous content (like the current character placeholders), or generally lacking organization.
*Clean-up tags are not resolved within five days.

''NOTE: An extension will be granted for characters who have suddenly become canon. Obviously updating under these circumstances will take longer than normal.''

Reasons can and ''will'' be collapsed - if it takes four days to get a character page up, you do ''not'' have an additional two days to update "Last Appearance". These two days ended two days after the video was released. Likewise, while the regulations allow for a dead character link from day three to day four, keep in mind dead links on the portal count towards the untidyness-factor. Continuously having dead links for several days on the portal, even if they are resolved within four days, will be seen as a sign you or your fans are incapable of handling the workload of maintaining the portal, and thus the section as a whole.

==Discussion==
====The Coalition====
They were just featured on insidelg15today. That kind of support/endorsement from the Creators certainly effects notability. Is a Tier bump warranted?--[[User:Immortal1|Immortal1]] 19:37, 18 March 2008 (CDT)
:I see no problem with a Tier bump, but let's see what others think . . . . --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 20:03, 18 March 2008 (CDT)

:No, in my opinion, for the following reasons:
:#HOOBS was also featured on Inside LG15 and wasn't automatically bumped to 3. The information was duly noted on the list and will taken into consideration in the next re-evaluation.
:#Have you had a look at the current Coalition page? It's a link list. It's less than a Tier 2 page. It probably wouldn't even qualify as a Tier 1.5 page. You can't just go from that to elaborate page with an episode list and everything.
:#And this is the most important one, in my opinion: ''Everyone'' can submit content to Inside LG15. Sure, it's filtered, and as I mentioned above, this information will be recorded (in fact, I'll do it after submitting) and taken into consideration when the page has grown large enough to warrant a re-evaluation, or one is requested, but the fact remains that basically anyone can get his stuff on Inside (in fact, Amanda routinely asks in public for people to submit stuff), so while you are correct that it does boost its notability, it doesn't do this, at least in my opinion, enough to warrant going from a link-list to a full-blown superpage.
:Looking at the Coalition page, it doesn't look like anyone is actively caring for it. Taking that into account, it is unlikely the page will ever exceed the Tier 2 page ''we'' will have to create for it as part of the revamp. Should the page grow, should the series become more notable, then this post will, once its status is being evaluated, be taken into account. But in order to boost the page from Tier 2 to Tier 3, it should qualify as Tier 2 first.
:(As a sidenote, if you read and compare this post to previous ones, it's rather obvious it was not written by the Creators themselves - most likely, it was written by one of the ugc creators and sent to them with a request to post it.)
:(On a sidenote to the sidenote, should this happen increasingly often, we'll have to think about some sort of "inflation" for Inside posts. If all it takes to get posted is an e-mail, this kind of "endorsement" is practically worth nothing.)
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:39, 18 March 2008 (CDT)
::Ren, just a heads up, it's not a link list anymore. I'm not sure why Immo added the links, because, as per previous discussion, all of the series were to be MERGED INTO ONE PAGE. (I even tagged the pages, only one of which has any significant amount of content, to be deleted.)
::On that note, Immo, I'd be much obliged if you could add series summaries on [[The Coalition]] page, and possibly links to relevant video accounts. I tried to myself, but the forums are only so helpful and I don't want to watch four whole series just to work on one page. Thanks! - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:29, 18 March 2008 (CDT)

:::So by now, we're discussing if we should bump up a page that consists only of headlines and an external link.
:::God I love this revamp.</sarcasm>
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 21:33, 18 March 2008 (CDT)

::::I think if you contact Amanda you'll find she was the one who reached out to theCoalition. But aside from that I got an earful about how bad it makes the pedia look for people to see incomplete pages--that page there is linked from the inside and is basically a shell.--[[User:Immortal1|Immortal1]] 23:03, 18 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::Well, you can't really blame Ren for that. It's a project I'm taking on. It was originally supposed to be a "test" page until we got to Phase 2, but now that it's out there, I'm working on getting it up ASAP. Like I said, if you could help get a summary or something, I'd be eternally grateful.
:::::(P.S. if you want to talk about "empty shells", look at the series pages you decided to link to from my Coalition page.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 23:16, 18 March 2008 (CDT)

:What provision is there in the guidelines for a "portal page" that links to 4 series that share elements? Perhaps that would be a productive discussion.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 22:27, 18 March 2008 (CDT)
::I think the problem here is that the Coalition does not fit in with the current tier structure. You have 4 interconnected but independent series with a vast array of videos and a lot of community support but very little pedia presence. How should that be presented and how should the 4 series be interconnected to show the relationship.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 23:38, 18 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Anyone?--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 15:04, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
:::The reason we decided to combine the series pages into one was because they are very much less known than other series, and no one's been updating any of the pages. We can't have pages floating around with absolutely no content on them (other than a brief "summary", although I think the summaries I came up with for the page are better than the ones on the series pages). So we figured, if the only content is a summary, why can't we combine them anyway? Honestly, the series themselves shouldn't be higher than a tier 2 individually, but they're not even at that currently.
:::I think the best way to go about working this is to have a summary of what, exactly, the Coalition is, and then a summary of each of the series below. I tried to do that myself, but seeing as I know next to nothing about the thing, it didn't turn out very well. Please, guys, discuss. We need some input on this. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:01, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
:::::There are 4 series so they each should have a page. The series are interconnected within the Coalition so that should have a page linking to each series. As it currently stands my understaning and the discussion board on LG15.com indicates that the 4 Coalition series along with Redearth88 and the Maddison Atkins series all take place within the Red Territory so that needs a page linking to all 6 and any other series that decide to take place in the Red Territory. The revamp needs to be modified to accommodate such a structure or you are simply defying logic for some arbitrary standard which is simply not how we have ever done things on LGPedia and I have been around since close to the beginning.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 18:14, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
::::::Just because there are four seperate series that we've agreed have enough significance to warrant a page doesn't mean that they each need their own pages. What exactly would we even put on these pages? As I've said, no one has been willing to update ANYTHING on the existing Coalition-related pages. I'm failing to see why we can't just combine them into one extensive page for the entirety of the Coalition. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:23, 19 March 2008 (CDT)

::::::I fail to see why "the revamp needs to be modified" just because the creators of The Coalition can't get their shit together. Either they want to be known as one thing, The Coalition, then their individual pages are obsolete, or they want to be seen as independent series, then The Coalition is not a UGC profile page anyway, and thus not part of the revamp.
::::::You can't be both independent and dependent. Either they want to be seen as The Coalition, then they'll be The Coalition, or they don't. It was ''their'' decision to solicit Inside LG15 to link to [[The Coalition]] instead of independent pages. It was ''their'' decision to have them link to LGPedia, but not to care for their pages in the first place. And in fact, this is the perfect example for why we need the revamp - on one hand, they want to be all great "YAY WE'RE ON THE PEDIA!!!" - on the other hand, Facility J hadn't been touched since 30 October 2007 before this incident forced Shi upon it. So either they decide to be "The Coalition", then that and the fact that they don't give a fuck for their other pages is a good reason to just collapse them all into [[The Coalition]], or they want to be independent series, then they should stop linking and promoting [[The Coalition]], because then, [[The Coalition]] is ''not'' a UGC profile page that has a Tier rating, but a disambiguation page.
::::::Then again, given that this is blatantly obvious and you still claim we're "defying logic for some arbitrary standard", most likely you're just here to stirr up trouble in support for yet another of Immo's pet projects anyway.
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:47, 19 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::::"The important and sole decisive criterion is notability." Not how many pages currently exist, who maintains them or what is on them. I think it's fair to say the larger the series, the less direct involvement the actual PMs have in their lgpedia pages.
:::::::# The Coalition is set up similar to RE88. RE88 is the shared universe that 2 series, RE and MA take place in. The Coalition is the shared universe that 4 series, FJ, WF, ZXL and WoW take place in.
:::::::# The Coalition collectively has almost 150 videos.
:::::::# They have a forum presence.
:::::::# FJ was a Community Appreciation Week winner.
:::::::# They were featured on insidelg15. (at Amanda's solicitation) It also should be noted that only 2 series lonelyjew15 and theCoalition have been featured in their own posts outside of Community Appreciation Week.
:::::::# It features immersive interaction with members of the community.
:::::::# There are a high number of characters including live action characters.
:::::::# Producing puzzles, drops and most recently a live event qualifies as a complicated production.

:::::::It meets just about every criteria set forth. My question is this, what other criteria listed would it have to meet to warrant a tier bump? But just for practical purposes I can't even begin to imagine how you can represent it all on one page. If you can, more power to you. I look forward to the end result.

:::::::Lastly I have some involvement with alot of UGC and its unfair that they might get misrepresented here because of an association with me.--[[User:Immortal1|Immortal1]] 02:13, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::::: Ren, I am only trying to help explain this to you because it appears that the people trying to make the guidelines have very little direct understanding of the way the shows are structured. I for one am trying to help and any accusation to the contrary is totally uncalled for. On the blog we have portals for these series and as a result I am reasonably familiar with the structure. There are always elements that are "up in the air" but as they are resolved they will be input into LGPedia. If you current structure cannot accommodate such a simple situation then clearly it is fatally flawed and should be revised.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 02:49, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::::Immo, that's all nice and well, but you yourself provide the counter-arguments on the double - as you quoted, "The important and sole decisive criterion is notability." - and as you never failed to mention, The Flock is kept tidily arranged by your fans, always up to date, with a whole lot of pages. So, if a series that is, by your own recounts, vastly smaller than The Coalition in its entirety has enough fans to keep it's section up to date and nicely arranged, would it not be logical to assume that four series combined, one giant superuniverse, would have enough fanpower to do the same?
:::::::Let me spare you the suspense and tell you right away: That is not the case. Before Shiori went on touch the pages ''because'' The Coalition was mentioned on Inside, nobody had touched them for months. Which means, not only does nobody care for The Coalition on the pedia, but the only updates it gets are from non-fans that are done due to outside pressure, not because of any personal wish to update the pages.
:::::::The Coalition does not have to meet any other criteria as any other series - notability. Yes, you do provide a lot of achievements and "hits" on the criteria list - a compelling list, I must admit. But unfortunately, the one thing that boosted you and helped you all the way up last time, is stabbing you in the back and dragging you down this time - the participation of series fans on LGPedia. Redearth, Maddison Atkins, LJ15, and, as you yourself noted often, ''The Flock'' all have an active fan presence on LGPedia. Like I said, your list is compelling. But, let me try to explain the dilemma with this example: You can have the fanciest restaurant in town, the finest food, a 5-star-cook, mahogany seats and gold cutlery - that's worth ''nothing'' if no one comes to eat.
:::::::You have shown that The Coalition is a giant production that has apparently a whole lot of stuff going on, and if there was any sign pedia pages to the extend of RE or MA would be desired, we'd surely bump it up to Tier 4 or 5, if only to handle the informational load. But said informational load is exactly the problem. According to our record, ''nobody cares for The Coalition on LGPedia''. My point is not that The Coalition would not be qualified for that amount of pages in theory. My point is that practically, it is utterly and entirely pointless to create roughly 200 new pages for The Coalition, if the fans of The Coalition don't even seem to care for the four main sites. Or, put otherwise, if nobody even reads the four main pages, why should we create 200 other pages no one reads?
:::::::I see your point. I see that The Coalition seems to be a gigantic production. But the fact that something is made big does not automatically mean it hits with a large number of fans, and from our point of view, even if there are a large number of fans, these fans do not in the slightest bit seem to be interested to read about The Coalition on LGPedia.
:::::::The only person currently caring for The Coalition pages (Shiori) is actively going around trying to find knowledgable people, because she has no idea of the series. So, I see and acknowledge your giant lists of facts, but I ask four questions back: Who will read these pages once they're created? Where are these people now and why are they not reading? Where are the people who will create all these pages? And, lastly, a familiar one: Who will care for all these pages once they were created?
:::::::Remember how last time, I counted up the separate portal views of the RE88 universe against the Flock's? This time, it works the other way round! The Flock ''alone'' has more portal views than all four of the Coalition together. Despite the gigantic production, despite live events, forum sections and everything, ''nobody cares''.
:::::::Like I said, I acknowledge your list. It is impressive, and it ''would'' place The Coalition in the higher Tiers, would it have active fans. But from a pedian's point of view, that is simply not the case. Nobody touched the pages for three to six months. Less people checked out four series together than the Flock alone. Even if there ''is'' a larger group of fans outside of LGPedia, it seems to have no interest in The Coalition pedia pages ''at all''. So even if we wanted to bump up the series by revamp consideration, simple general pedia considerations speak against it - why create 200 pages no one is going to read?
----
:::::::In addition, as we have touched above, there seems to be sort of "identity crisis" problem - are these series all together one complex "The Coalition", or do they insist on being individual series? You likened The Coalition to the RE Universe. That may be right. But we did not assess the RE Universe as a whole, but OpAphid, RE88 and Maddison Atkins each on their own. So if The Coalition series insist on being independent, then Will-O-Wisp and Worldfiles are as good as doomed (they don't even have a single video link), ZorinXL would qualify for two if the video view numbers support a certain viewership, and Facility J would probably get three due to community notability vs. size. Seeing the portal, it might get an organizational 4 bump to create a separate "List of Facility J links" or something, and might then keep its video pages just because it'd take more effort to delete them than to keep them. But that's it.

:::::::So, especially ''because'' your list is compelling, before we can decide whether a Tier bump is warranted or not, the following questions need to be answered:
:::::::#Is The Coalition one series, or are the 4 parts independent series? If they are independent series, the series will be judged independently, as it has happened in Redearth's universe.
:::::::#Who is going to read the created pages? How many users are interested in them?
:::::::#Where are these users now? If there exists an interest in Coalition pedia pages, why are the existing ones not maintained and where no more created? (Especially given that you pointed out the vast amount of content The Coalition technically has.)
:::::::#Who is going to maintain these pages? With an expansion like this, you can't just call your army, have them create all pages, and then leave us alone with the work. Just like other series have dedicated help from the fangroups, we ''will'' need people that look after these pages, even if they only do it on normal pedia basis, not under special regulations.

:::::::Once more, in the end: Your list (if it is verifiable) is indeed impressive and compelling. But right now, from my current point of view, a Tier bump is still not warranted, because the way The Coalition's pages have been treated and visited in the past suggests that barely anyone is interested in The Coalition as a whole, and the little interest there is is concentrated on Facility J - thus, ultimately, suggesting a certain amount of notability for its production size, but low notability as an ARG in the community. And a note along the lines of "Although incredibly elaborate, The Coalition failed to draw user attention." does not need 200 pages.
:::::::Just one.
:::::::If there is indeed a large, secret desire to have a full-blown Coalition presence on LGPedia, then we will have to discuss separately how this presence can be created in the first place, how it will be maintained, and how we can guarantee a sustained interest in it. If there is a larger part of the community interested in having all these pages, then your list greatly supports creating them all. But it is of no use for either side if we start a large project to create 200 pages for The Coalition, only to have them all ignored a week afterwards. And current data suggests that exactly that would happen.
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:07, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
:::::::<small>Not proofread.</small>

:::::::::<li>At the end of the day what we are talking about it eligibility. Based on the notability criteria they are eligible for more than one page. Eligibility means pages are allowed to be created not that they have to be.
:::::::::<li>There is a chicken and egg factor to theC. I think the reason why no one tackled the pages is because it's an immense job but if there were pages it would be an great help to get new people interested. Right now there is a thread in the forum about putting together a FAQ, I would hope that info eventually makes it over to the lgpedia. There is info there in the forum right now that could but only allowing one page does not allow the entry to potentially grow.
:::::::::<li>There's absolutely no identity crisis. If anything there is more crossover between the 4 series than there has been between RE and MA.
:::::::::<li>You can do this in 3-5 pages. I don't feel transcripts are necessary nor do I feel that individual character pages are necessary at this point. You can keep the current page that shiori did and have another page for characters and one other for a video list. Or you can have basically what's there now and keep one 2 column page for each series. One column for characters and one for a video list.
:::::::::<li>I agree 200 pages are not necessary but one is inadequate.--[[User:Immortal1|Immortal1]] 16:14, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

::::::::::It is usually good tone to append new comments to the end of the discussion, not add them in the middle. The indention identifies which post is being replied to.
::::::::::{{quote|Immortal1|At the end of the day what we are talking about it eligibility. Based on the notability criteria they are eligible for more than one page. Eligibility means pages are allowed to be created not that they have to be.}}
::::::::::Given the extreme lack of user interest on LGPedia, there is at least a shadow of doubt over their eligibility. As I posted above, "Where are these users now? If there exists an interest in Coalition pedia pages, why are the existing ones not maintained and where no more created?" They may be notable for their production value, but so far, it looks like there is no user interest. And if the users don't care, it'd be a lot more efficient to just note the production value on a single page.
::::::::::The Revamp does not replace common LGPedia procedures - if no one's going to read a page, there's no need to keep it.

::::::::::{{quote|Immortal1|There is a chicken and egg factor to theC. I think the reason why no one tackled the pages is because it's an immense job but if there were pages it would be an great help to get new people interested. Right now there is a thread in the forum about putting together a FAQ, I would hope that info eventually makes it over to the lgpedia. There is info there in the forum right now that could but only allowing one page does not allow the entry to potentially grow.}}
::::::::::Well, if The Coalition is supposed to stay, these pages will ''all'' have to be updated and maintained. So I fail to see how the fact that nobody wants to do all the work is a point ''for'' bumping up.

::::::::::{{quote|Immortal1|There's absolutely no identity crisis. If anything there is more crossover between the 4 series than there has been between RE and MA.}}
::::::::::Well then, direct question: Is the Coalition one series to be judged, or is it a universe of sorts in which four independent series coexist and cross over?

::::::::::{{quote|Immortal1|You can do this in 3-5 pages. I don't feel transcripts are necessary nor do I feel that individual character pages are necessary at this point. You can keep the current page that shiori did and have another page for characters and one other for a video list. Or you can have basically what's there now and keep one 2 column page for each series. One column for characters and one for a video list. [...] I agree 200 pages are not necessary but one is inadequate.}}
::::::::::As a Tier 4 solution, that sounds reasonable, and, given your list above, I am inclined to support that...''however'' - there is still the question of whether The Coalition as a whole even is a series that can be bumped, ''and'' there are still the issues of general user interest and page maintenance.
::::::::::If you can, to my question above, reply that The Coalition is one series, and that thus, your list at the top applies, ''and'' we can find a group of people that is knowledgable on the subject that volunteers to create and or bring the pages up to date, then I will support a bump of the series The Coalition to Tier 4 and work out a small list of pages for it with you, although I would also file a request for re-evaluation in two months or so, to see if these newly generated pages are actually used, or just the next generation of dead Coalition pages.
::::::::::However, if your answer is that all four series are independent series within the same universe, as RE88 and MA are, then, just as we did with MA and RE, they will be evaluated individually, and since your list at the top cumulates their achievements, it does not apply.
::::::::::The latter case might lead to a solution where Facility J stays as a Tier 2 or 3 series, and its page containes an "Other series within the Coalition universe" section that points out/sums up the others, with the series names redirecting to that section.

::::::::::Under the conditions your list requires (that The Coalition is to be judged as a whole), I agree it suggests a notable production value. But notability alone does not automatically mean "so notable it needs multiple pages". All series listed on the pedia after the revamp are notable. The problem with this entire Coalition thing is comparison: On one hand, you yourself paint the Coalition as vastly bigger than The Flock. On the other hand, its pedia presence and interest in that presence is vastly smaller than the Flock's. To quote the Tier 4 description, "Tier 4 Fanfic is fanfic that, under all objective considerations, should belong to Tier 3, but for some subjective or organizational reason are allowed to branch out and create more than one page." - so even ''if'' somebody takes us up on the Flock deal, on an objective view, The Flock is of Tier 3 notability. It just has a lot of beautiful pages that'd be a shame to kill. Point being, if The Flock is Tier 3/4, and The Coalition is below that, where do you want to bump it? Tier 2.5? You fought hard in the Flock discussion to have your view count acknowledged. When your single series alone has more portal views than an entire universe together, would you find it fair to have them on the same Tier as you? Especially when half of them don't even have video lists? When the character pages are 11 months outdated?
::::::::::I am assuming good faith. I do not assume you lie with anything you say in your list. Thus, you can consider it proven that the Coalition as a whole is a gigantic production. What's missing at the moment is proof that the Coalition actually is a "whole", and that that whole, gigantic production actually has users interested in it.
:::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:10, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::::::::I do not think we are talking about 200 pages. We are talking about a basic structure with 5 pages. One page for each series and then one portal page for The Coalition. Beyond that we need to discuss each series on its own merit. For example Facility J has a bulk of existing pages that are part of an important historical record. On the other hand Worldfiles might be good with a single page for now. The point is that looking at this in terms of tiers defies logic. If this revamp is going to gut the historical record then I will totally oppose its implementation in all facets. We need to show respect for series that have been created by fans and for what already exists on the pedia. The revamp cannot become an attempt to sanitize the pedia of anything that does not fit some arbitrary standard. We need flexibility and creativity to cope with the complexities of each series/ARG and most importantly we need respect for those who have strived to document these series on LGPedia. If you cannot dedicate yourself to that effort this revamp should be considered dead on arrival and I do not believe that serves any ones best interest.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 04:59, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

::::::::::::Immo said "The Coalition collectively has almost 150 videos." - add to that categories, character pages, actor pages, lists, summaries etc. for four series, you come out at roughly 200 pages. I think your comment shows clearly the problem with this discussion as a whole: You may see the UGC side of things, and realize when we're lacking important information or assuming less of a series than it is, but you have no idea how much work maintaining any given series with multiple pages is, and you have no idea how much work some suggestions of you create.
::::::::::::As I have mentioned above, whether we have to assess each series independently depends on their decision if they want to be seen as The Coalition, or as independent series. It's up to them how they'll be analyzed.

::::::::::::{{quote|modelmotion|The point is that looking at this in terms of tiers defies logic. If this revamp is going to gut the historical record then I will totally oppose its implementation in all facets. We need to show respect for series that have been created by fans and for what already exists on the pedia.}}
::::::::::::I think you're the point. Then again, I think you're missing the point on purpose, so it's not all that surprising. Still, in the interest of discussion, I will say two things: 1. I myself was the one saying Facility J might be bumped to Tier 4 due to the volume of information. Do not accuse me of trying to ruthlessly mow down any page I can find if I suggested the exact opposite in the post right above you. 2. And that's the important point: ''What historicaly record?'' Have you read my post at all? The problem with The Coalition is that there is basically ''nothing''. Of the 59 links on the Facility J portal, only ''16'' are internal. Everything else leads to external source. Of these 16 internal links, 12 link to video pages. The other four remaining pages are [[Everything You Need To Play Facility J]], last updated on 30 October 2007, [[Mysterious Young Lady]], [[WalterDW]] and [[TravelerJ19]], all of whose ''content'' was last updated '''''11 months ago''''' (there were edits afterwards, but they only changed whitespace or categories, not the page content itself).
::::::::::::Let me repeat that, so it sinks in: Of the only four actual general series pages of Facility J on LGPedia, 25% have not been updated for five months, 75% have not been updated for almost a year. ''That'' is the "historical record" we're speaking of. Almost nothing, and the few "almost" there is, hopelessly outdated and neglected. Even if we didn't delete the pages, they'd be of no use to anyone. And truth to be told, the fact that all Facility J character pages in existence on LGPedia have not exceeded one paragraph for ''almost a year'' is the greatest argument ''for'' collapsing the pages I've seen so far - because three paragraphs in a section aren't all that much.

::::::::::::{{quote|modelmotion|The revamp cannot become an attempt to sanitize the pedia of anything that does not fit some arbitrary standard. We need flexibility and creativity to cope with the complexities of each series/ARG and most importantly we need respect for those who have strived to document these series on LGPedia. If you cannot dedicate yourself to that effort this revamp should be considered dead on arrival and I do not believe that serves any ones best interest.}}
::::::::::::Again with the polemic and groundless attacks...well, I think I've shown above in great detail and with many hard facts (instead of random populist rambling) why exactly there is no content we could even base a Tier bump on (because this is what we're ''actually'' talking about - whether The Coalition could be Tier bumped or not; not your personal liking of the revamp). If you have a problem with my argumentation, if you see a logical flaw in it, feel free to reply with counter-facts or point out the flaw. If you just want to reply with another string of random rephrasings of "modelmotion no like teh revamp", please open a "Modelmotions thoughts on the revamp" section below, so Immo and I can actually discuss this on a grown up level.
:::::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:12, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

:(Ignoring almost every comment): If we do decide to go with seperate pages for the Coalition content, we ''will not'' be maintaining anything more than a summary and, perhaps, external links. We '''will not''' have any other content on these series pages, such as video lists or character information, since they simply don't have the fanbase willing to upkeep the pages enough. (This element is not up for negotiation, and is based solely on the hypothetical that the pages are not merged into the larger Coalition page.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 09:54, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::(p.s. Sorry if that came off harsh or mean or anything; I think the whole fanfic revamp is starting to take a toll on my patience. Anyway, that doesn't change the facts of my argument, though. We really shouldn't have anything other than an in-depth summary, maybe an image, and external links on the individual series pages if they stick around, simply because of the lack of anyone willing to help. Basically, the pages should be treated as Tier 2.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:23, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

::Shi, I hate to do this, but there is absolutely no basis for that statement, and you are in no position to pre-emptively decide what is negotiable and what is not. On what Tier a page ends up and how many pages a Tier 4 page needs is decided by ''discussion'' and careful consideration of the current situation. Period. I agree, as I have outlined in the comment you ''admittedly ignored'', that each Coalition section on its own does not warrant more than one page, if at all. (Exception being FJ for organizational purposes.) But that is our ''opinion'' and the opinions of others have at least to be heard before a decision is made. Please refrain from such posts in the future, as they are no different from the other side's "THE REVAMP SUCKS! THE REVAMP SUCKS!" posts and not helping this discussion.
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::Given that you knew from chat I was replying, I find it rather impolite to purposefully insert an editing conflict. Anyway, to reply to your addition: ''Been said.'' Basically, you're repeating what I said above, only less elaborate. And while I do like having support on my side, it'd help us more if you'd elaborate more and found your opinion with facts instead of violently denying pages by default.
::Your opinion is fine. The problem with opinions is, everybody has one. Whether they are founded on facts (like Immo's and mine) or just unsourced rambling (like yours and model's) decides whether they're of any value to this discussion or not. Please do not post like that again. It's not helping.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:12, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
:::: Let's start the fuckin' revamp already! This is insane. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 11:55, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::Milo...[[User talk:Zoey|click here]], try your luck. According to schedule, we should've started three weeks ago.
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:01, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::::::One reasonable approach would be to leave all the historical pages intact for now. Then add a new page for each of the 4 series going forward with a link to the historical portal pages. Then we could build out the main Coalition page with links to the 4 new series pages so it would essentially become a portal for the "coalition territory". This would allow the revamp to go forward quickly while preserving a lot of history. I must also say that to support this revamp in any way requires putting a LOT of trust in those doing the surgery. It would be nice to see that there is an honest and true comittment to preserving the historical record of ALL community created videos that are covered on LGPedia.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 18:19, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::::::-_^ We are not a museum. If a series was historically significant, like CiW or OpAphid, it will be archived, but the pedia is not an archive for every LG15-related fan video ever to have existed. As for your "reasonable approach" - what's reasonable about doing the exact opposite of what we're trying to do? We're calling it "revamp" because we're trying to go from the old, broken structure to the new, better structure. Keeping the old and broken stuff around is not part of that concept. And these "historic records" you keep talking about - the only thing "historic" about the Coalition pages is the date when a fan last edited them. The only reason those pages got any activity recently was because outside posts basically forced Shiori to do some work. 11 months outdated is historic alright. But it's not worth keeping around.
:::::::::As for "putting a LOT of trust in those doing the surgery" - you could, of course, stop whining and actually help. If you, instead of keeping to go on and on about how the revamp sucks, actually volunteered to write the new Coalition pages, then you could yourself make sure no vital details get lost in time. After all, it was the Coalition's decision to let their pages become a prime example of why the revamp is necessary - not ours.
:::::::::Replying to random whining and baseless accusations isn't exactly hard, so if you feel like keeping that up, whatever. But if you're ''actually'' interested in what happens to this series, you might want to join the factual discussion and offer your help instead. After all, we all admit that we have no Coalition background, and would very much like to have a knowledgable person help us with that section's revamp.

:::::::::Just to reiterate that point: The hopeless outdatedness of the Coalition's pages is a prime example of why the revamp was initiated in the first place. Random pages created by single users, forgotten and left to rot and outdate. Go and ask the Coalition why they didn't care for their pages - whatever the answer is, it is the reason we are here today, and it is the reason why these pages will not continue to exist in their current form. If all fan pages on LGPedia had been kept clean and up to date, this revamp wouldn't happen. You complain about the revamp? Don't complain to us. Complain to whoever had the smart idea to create pages for the Coalition, and then said "fuck it" and left, making it necessary to re-organize his work.
:::::::::You want ''us'' to preserve the historic records of the Coalition? If they are so important, ''why does nobody from the Coalition care for them?''
::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 21:10, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::::::::::::::To say that Facility J is not part of our history show a lack of understanding of our history. Throwing out random insults just shows a lack of respect. Ren, you are not the dictator if LGPedia.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 10:31, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:::::::::::::::::To say that I suggested Facility J is not part of your "history" shows a lack of understanding of my post as a whole. I suggest re-reading it before you start the whining and random insults again.
::::::::::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:34, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:::::::::::::::::<small>Of course, then you'd have to realize that the 11-months-outdated pages I referred to, for example, were FJ's character pages, meaning FJ was actually my prime example of your history...and that would've fucked up the basis for your post. So yeah, I guess from your point of view, it's probably better not to understand the post. Looks bad to insult me without at least a make-believe basis.</small>

:::::::::I'm not quite sure where to put this, so I'll just plop it here. mm, I appreciate your addition of summaries for all of the series (seriously, roxor), but why are they being given explicit summary pages, as opposed to being put on the main series pages? I'm just genuinely confused... - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:25, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

:::Let us face reality here. Because the Cs failed to deliver the web site that promoted community videos a lot of people have left the site. It is going to take time to rebuild. That is just the reality we have to deal with but if you want to blame anyone for that blame Miles.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 13:21, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
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I like the new Coalition page, I must say. However, it generates two points to be talked about:
#If it took us one or two days of discussion just to convince model and Immo to update a single page, on what grounds would we assume newly created pages would not go unmaintained immediately?
#The portal quite clearly says "The Coalition is a set of four user-generated series" - that implies each individual series is, although they may interact, independent from the other ones. Which, as per logic and common sense, as well as per the precedent set by the evaluation of RE and MA, means we'd have to evaluate individually. That makes multiple points of Immo's list from the beginning void, for example the video count.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:45, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

:I think this is where modelmotion's use of guidelines versus rules can apply here. They are all independent series, but The Coalition as a whole is greater than the sum of its parts, and all are notable enough in the community to deserve the pages that have been created. This is why applying a hard set of rules to each series can be an issue. The Coalition is unique in that, while independent, the group is referred to as The Coalition, and each series is known to be a part of it. I see no problem with the pages that have been created. [[User:Virginian9000|Virginian9000]] 19:41, 21 March 2008 (EST)

::That has nothing to do with vocabulary, it's just a question of what has to be evaluated. If they insist on being independent, then it it not fair towards all the other series to use their cumulative assets to weigh them. If they insist on being one series, it is not fair towards the other series to give them the space of four to five series.
::Basically, what you're suggesting is the same if we summed up all Cassie and Cassie-related series, used Cassie UGC as one giant thing to compare to everything else, decided it should be Tier 5 because it's huge, and after the decision treated series like [[Cassieresurrection]] all individually as Tier 5 material, on par with Redearth and OpAphid, just because they cheated through cumulative evaluation.
::I have no problem with the idea of evaluating The Coalition has a whole. But then they have to accept that any Tier and any page space will only be allotted to ''The Coalition'', the UGC that was evaluated, and not Facility J, Will-O-Wisp, Worldfiles and Zarin XL.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:19, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::::I am saying that each is independent, and that each is notable enough in the community to be alloted the summary pages that have been created so far. Even looked at separately, each series would stand on its own if notability is the key, as people who follow one series in The Coalition usually follow all now. I do not think it is unfair to other series for the summary pages that have been created for The Coalition series to stay.
::::It is also important to note that while they are independent, they are together as The Coalition. So, while each can be looked at separately, I don't think it would be right to do so. They need to be shown separately and together, a complication other series do not have, and I think the current pages The Coalition has gives them that now. With the colliding storylines and universes, the series cannot be looked at separately, and I think the pedia would be incomplete without the current pages that show how each are independent AND how each are interacting with the other stories.
::::The current pages The Coalition has seems to do the trick. I think keeping them there should be enough. - [[User:Virginian9000|Virginian9000]] 22:24 March 21 (EST)
:::::As a body of work it seems intuitively obvious that The Coalition as a whole should be treated as Tier 5. That would simply leave it up to fans to decide how to build out LGPedia. In the short run I do not see there being enough fan support to actually create transcripts for the videos so I do not see that as a problem. Perhaps we could consider it as "Tier 5 Lite" where fans of the series would have an "option" to build out the pages if the shows independently or collectively gain traction with fans as seems to be currently happening. The fact that these shows have a heavy ARG influence which requires that the PMs stay behind the curtain and hence are unable to contribute to this discussion should also be taken into consideration. I also do not think it should be mandatory for a tier to build out its LGPedia presence to the full ability of that tier level. Rather, the tier simply creates an upper limit to the degree the LGPedia pages can be built out for that series. Additionally, whatever level the fans choose to build out the site should be sustainable and that will probably take a little guidance from the admins. But the bottom line is that The Coalition based on the dedication and professionalism of the series producers and the body of work they have already produced deserve the "ability" to build out their LGPedia presence to the Tier 5 level if they can in the longer term muster the resources to do it.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 22:21, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::::::I know I said I was going to stay out of this, but I'm going to make two points. One: as mm said "'''I also do not think it should be mandatory for a tier to build out its LGPedia presence to the full ability of that tier level.'''" I can't agree with this more; and it bugs the crap out of me when ''some'' people seem to think that's the case... (Could we maybe, perhaps, add something to this effect in the Tier listing?) Second, I don't know that the Coalition, even if it had the fanbase willing to edit its Pedia pages, it is deserving of Tier 5. I'd go for 4, but 5 seems like it might be stretching it. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 09:50, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::::Okay, I've read this for awhile now (when a discussion's THIS long, it takes a while to understand what everyone has said), so I guess I'm commenting on a whole. From what has been said so far . . . it just makes sense that The Coaltion should be Tier 4. I mean, here's that Tier's very definition: ''Tier 4 Fanfic is fanfic that, under all objective considerations, should belong to Tier 3, but for some '''subjective''' or organizational reason are allowed to branch out and create more than one page. (An example would be that a series is rather small in notability, but has a high number of episodes, so that a separate list of videos makes more sense.)'' If anything, this discussion has shown that whatever we decide, it's going to be subjective.

:::::::From what I know (and unfortunately, I don't follow the Coalition either, so my knowledge comes from its page and this discussion), the Coalition specializes on inter-connectivity and cross-over-ness. So to split the series into four simply would not make sense (imagine a reader comes to visit the Pedia and finds some random page(s) devoted to Faculty J, only to find out its part of "the Coaltion," and then finding nothing more than a generalized list of the other series. One word, ''"Wha?"'') Then again, I've read that people aren't so hot about unifying the four series into one Coalition page, so why don't we allow '''four''' basic pages -- one for each series. This would give each series the benefits of a Tier 3 page -- a comprehensive one, one that includes a more detailed plot outline, episode lists, characters, and '''the info that they are related to the other three series''' under a greater "Coalition" universe (shoot, you can even include how they are all under the "Red Territory" as well). It may have been forgotten, but those in favor of the Coalition to have a higher Tiering ''have said multiple times'' that they don't think character pages, transcripts, actor pages, etc are necessary at this point. If that be the case, I see no problem maintaining this small number of pages (Categories aside, it'll probably stay relatively small).

:::::::If the pages are kept relatively current, and fans of theC feel that they need a unifying fifth page devoted to how the series cross-over and inter-connect, then I see no problem why they can't request one when we start our process of re-evaluating the Tiers in the months after the Revamp is finally over. If, however, they remain skeleton-pages, then I ''also'' see no problem in them getting re-evaluating into a single Tier 3 page devoted to "the Coalition" as a whole. For those who are pointing out that fans must have some responsibility regarding the coverage the series gets, this should be satisfactory enough.

:::::::'''Oh, side note:''' I do agree with Shiori - I too must oppose with the notion that series aren't necessarily required to reach the full potential of their assigned Tier. If this were, say TVRage, where it is assumed that ''all'' TV shows are asked to eventually work their way to an entry that contains summaries, episode lists, reviews, character lists -- shoot -- even summaries in at least one foreign language, then this would make sense. But for anyone who visits TVRage, many shows remain incomplete by their own process (and they have TONS of editors). Not only would it be impossible and ridiculous to try and get episode lists, character pages, etc, etc for shows as small as lonelydude15, but just imagine having the Flock, whatever Tier that ended up in (I forget), not fullfilling their Tier requirements - it would only lead to ''another'' lengthy discussion (and eventually fighting and bickering).
::::::::Well, those are my thoughts on the matter. I tried to find what both sides would be willing to compromise on, but if there really is something that you find absolutely inexcusable, then please, feel free to disect and discuss away. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:46, 22 March 2008 (CDT)
The argument for Tier 5 would be that it offers maximum flexibility to both preserve the historical record (Facility J transcripts, etc.) where it is deemed relevant. It would also allow a portal structure for the 4 series going forward with the Coalition page being the "homepage." Some would say that this would leave LGpedia looking incomplete but I personally cannot see any wisdom deleting information when in fact its in the best interest of LGPedia and users to build out this series especially with up to date character pages. Perhaps the real question we should be asking is what can we do to draw fans of the shows back into participating in LGPedia? It has been a very difficult year for "community videos" but my gut feeling is that the tide is beginning to turn. I also believe that those who participate will be more than willing to work with admins to prevent random page sprawl and unnecessary pages. Remember, we the viewers and the users of LGPedia are the ones who benefit from the series and LGPedia working together. The professionalism of the Coalition series and their long term presence on LG15.com make it worth while to restructure the Coalition pages in a way that would encourage future expansion. Basically I simply trust the Coalition and its viewers to do the right thing in terms of LGPedia. If I am wrong then the admins can simply step in as they would with the RE88 universe or the LG15 universe. The reality is however that in the short term even with Tier 5 status the LGPedia presence of the Coalition will most likely remain understated but hey, at least they know we love and respect them for what they do. I am pretty sure Miles would back up everything I am saying here because there has been noone more vocal about the importance of this type of series than him. But hey if you doubt me, why dont you ask him?--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 17:11, 22 March 2008 (CDT)
:Pheon, I think you wrote your comments at the same time as I was writing mine. I think we are largely on the same page with just a slighly different approach and different reasoning but I think we are close to a workable solution.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 17:22, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

What I see here is Renegade, in his effort to win a debate, totally disrespecting the pms behind the Coalition and their work. Nobody cares? Whatever. I'd considered lending a hand to this pedia, but I don't think I'm quite pompous enough.

:Excuse me while I not care for unfounded anonymous allegations (which weren't even posted in a fitting section).
:'''virginian:''' "I am saying that each is independent, and that each is notable enough in the community to be alloted the summary pages that have been created so far." - if you can prove that, fine. So far, I'm just seeing that, ZorinXL for example, did not have a significant update since 18 November 2007, until they forced Shiori (a non-fan) to update the page through the Inside post. Had the Inside post not have happened, the page would ''still'' be basically in the same state it was created in 5 months ago. The page has a view count of 202, of which two dozen are probably Shiori's from the content update, and one dozen is mine from frequent checks during this discussion. Let us be generous and say 180 "real" views. That's 36 views per month, or just over 1 page view a day since its inception. And basically no voluntary content update. Sorry, but I find it hard to believe that, if that series was really so notable and so many people were interested in it, nobody would touch the page voluntarily within five months.
:Did I mention it the other two don't even have video lists?
:'''model:''' "Basically I simply trust the Coalition and its viewers to do the right thing in terms of LGPedia." - same answer as above. With that track record, the only thing I trust them to do, pedia-wise, is to ignore it.
:Now, sadly/funnily, I anticipated how this discussion would go, and already prepared the rest of my post right after posting my previous one:
:[[Image:Coalition system.png|800px|none|thumb|Click here if you have trouble understanding why the Coalition Evaluation System is unacceptable.]]
:Addendum: I am fully aware I did not reply to specific sub-parts of your posts; I did not do this because I am of the opinion that your posts are assuming wrong premises - the image above details quite well why the desired Coalition System is unacceptable, and, as such, any argument for it is wasted. In addition, personal opinions of the like that all of the Coalition independently should be Tier 5 are duly acknowledged, but ultimately irrelevant if you don't specify ''why'' that should be the case with hard facts.
:Immo made a very compelling list for the Coalition, and if the Coalition wants to/will be listed as a whole, that list will help it a great deal. If you want to make a case for each series individually, follow his lead.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:43, 22 March 2008 (CDT)
::::This discussion was already well on the way before the insideLG15 post. There has been an enormous amount of community activity regarding the Coalition in the last few months. Yes there have been a lot of changes and divisions in the community but one thing we all agree on is that LGPedia is the best option we have for a pedia to cover all the "community videos" fairly in and in line with their presence in the larger community. I think the goal here is to create a structure that can allow us to move forward and at the same time respect our history.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 20:32, 22 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Wow, Renegade, that there is an awesome chart, and it looks like you spent a lot of time on it. I am sorry that the argument is irrelevant to The Coalition. The Cassie UCG are not working together on interconnected and colliding storylines that have both independent and connected components that require knowledge of each series and the interactions as a whole. As said before, The Coalition is unique in this respect and requires unique consideration.
::::As I have said, I see no problem with keeping the great pages that modelmotion created and The Coalition pages. I will let others debate the expansion in respect to these tiers.
::::I think I have presented my points, and it appears discussion is getting redundant. When viewed by all the admin, I think my case proves itself. Thank you for the discussion Renegade. I would have refuted the Cassie point earlier if I had realized you were going to spend so much time on it. For that I am sorry.--[[User:Virginian9000|Virginian9000]] 22:25, 22 March (EST)

:::::Thank you very much, you just sealed my case.
:::::"The Cassie UCG are not working together on interconnected and colliding storylines that have both independent and connected components that require knowledge of each series and the interactions as a whole." - thus, ''by your very own definition'', the 4 subparts of The Coalition are ''not'' independent. As per the precedent set by any other series listing on the pedia, and the reinforcement of said precedent by last year's unification of the Brother, Tachyon and OpAphid lines, the 4 Coalition parts are therefore ''not'' eligible for independent listings as series.

:::::The description you give is valid for ''any'' vlog character of any series. It doesn't matter if we're talking about Jonas, an LJ15 character, a Flock girl, whatever. All of them have their independent parts (Taylor's soccer blogs and Sarah's whoring in Zavalla come to mind, or Gemma's random tales of Londonian things), but all of their stories are interwebbed with the main series and cannot fully be grasped without them. There are no separate series listings for Jonas, Bree, Anne Frank, Peterbeast or Betz. Thus, if that is your definition of the connection of the Coalition, then each Coalition part is akin to characters in other series.
:::::(And before you contest with "multiple characters" - Bree and Daniel as well as Sarah and Taylor originally vlogged from the same account - multiple people from the same account does not automatically make that account an independent series.)

:::::Your choice which way you paddle - backpaddle, state they're independent from each other, then the diagram applies, and in order for the Revamp to be fair for everyone, they have to be evaluated independently from each other. Agree they depend on each other, then they're automatically and logically not independent and will be treated as parts of one UGC object. (If you wish to edit The Coalition after the fact to express how unique it is, I will certainly not stop you.)

:::::@model: {{quote|up there|The Coalition<br><br>They were just featured on insidelg15today. That kind of support/endorsement from the Creators certainly effects notability. Is a Tier bump warranted?--Immortal1 19:37, 18 March 2008 (CDT)}}
:::::Don't lie, it doesn't help your position. The Inside post started this discussion.
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:54, 22 March 2008 (CDT)
::::::::It is not a like to tell the truth. All I have stated here is my recollection of the events as they happened. If you have something productive to add to the discussion then please do so. Otherwise let's just make it Tier 5 and move onto the next issue.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 01:38, 23 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::::::lol. Sucks when the counter-evidence is right on the same page, eh? Kinda ironic how ''you'' ask for "something productive", but meh, whatever.
:::::::::Anyway, what we who actually discussed (Immo and me) talked about was Tier ''4''. And that only if we go for Coalition as a whole. I'm still waiting for some potentially overriding answers from third sources.
:::::::::So, should virginian ''not'' insist to object, and should third parties ''not'' override the decision, we'll likely return to where the actual discussion left off and debate the pages to be set up for The Coalition as a whole.
::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 02:21, 23 March 2008 (CDT)
:(Reads through entire discussion). I'm with Renegade on this one. The pages dedicated to the Coalition were incredibly out-of-date before the revamp started (which is the problem the revamp sets out to eliminate). The problem with incomplete pages as brought up before - There is a big difference between incomplete and outdated. (Incomplete implies that there are people actively working on the section and that, at some point, it will be completed, whereas outdated suggests a general lack of keeping the section up-to-date). I think the point I'm trying to make has already been said, so I'll just leave it at that. --[[User:FH14]] 12:16, 23 March 2008 (EST)
::I have nothing to add right now except that Renegade's flowchart is the most amazing thing i have ever seen created in pursuit of an lgpedia debate. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 12:53, 23 March 2008 (CDT)
:::::Ren, things are unfolding in front of your eyes. Perhaps you should take a step back and look at the big picture because clearly you just do not get it. You can do all the analysis you want but the reality is the Coalition is much more than it might appear from its current LGPedia presence. I suggest that you watch all the videos and then return here with a better understanding of the topic. Only then can we have a viable discussion. --[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 15:43, 23 March 2008 (CDT)

::::::Ah, there we are again...complete lack of factual evidence, but a condescending allegation I just don't "get it". Always a pleasure to read your posts, model.
::::::Anyway, since, as usual, you're just underlining my point...keep going.
::::::Anyone not as blindly stubborn as model should ask himself: If the Coalition is really as incredibly vast as model says, and even the smallest series manage to have a partially useful (even if ugly) pedia presence - why doesn't the Coalition manage that?
::::::''If'' the Coalition is as big as model says, there are just two possible explanations for the lack of Coalition-related pedia activity:
::::::#They don't really have any viewers, thus greatly damaging their notability.
::::::#The viewers and producers ''just don't care'' for LGPedia. So who would we be creating elaborate pages for? A summary for confused newbies would be enough.
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:31, 23 March 2008 (CDT)
::::::::::It has already been explained that the PMs (aka serious producers) are behind the curtain. Do you have any idea what the rules of an ARG are? If you did then clearly you would not have asked that question. The reality is that we can simply make The Coalition Tier 5 and move on. No harm will be done and it will allow The Coalition fans the flexibility to build out if and when needed without having to fit into some arbitrary structure. That said, I think it would be fair to say that the Coalition will respect the general guidelines and not spam the LGPedia with pages that are not needed. You are not dealing with random noobs here. You are dealing with people who have been an integral part of this community from the beginning . The fact that things have not gone well is more to do with Miles and the lack of unfullfilled promises than it is to do with the motivation of the fans.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 17:43, 23 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::::::::You still don't grasp the basics of this discussion.
:::::::::::#It doesn't matter if the PMs are behind the curtain. Do you think Glenn comes here and does the RE pages? Do you see Jeromy writing MA transcripts? It's not about the PMs not coming, it's about ''no one else coming, either''. There is no sign there is even a single person interested in the Coalition's pedia pages. Think about it - they have been linked to from both the ''official blog'' of LG15 ''and'' LG15 Today. Did you see a single edit from anyone outside of this discussion? Shiori tried to fix the page because of the link, and you and Immo edited because it came up here multiple times. But even after significant exposure of the page, ''still'' no one else edited it. It very much looks like ''nobody cares''.
:::::::::::#We will not "simply make The Coalition Tier 5 and move on", because there is no justifiable reason for it. If 11-months outdated pages and basically no documented visitors are Tier 5, then what's the Flock? What's OpAphid? Tier 10 and Tier 15?
:::::::::::#It is absolutely and 100% ''insane'' to blame the lack of pedia editing by the Coalition fans on Miles's decision not to put up a fan video portal yet. One does not have anything to do with the other. (Although, if you can link to posts that specifically state "we will not edit the pedia until we get a fan video portal!", please do so - it'd help me a lot.)
::::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:03, 23 March 2008 (CDT)
::It is really quite simple. The Coalition should be Tier 5. As I said before it is intuitively obvious to everyone in the community.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 18:14, 23 March 2008 (CDT)

:::Then it should not be difficult to provide the objective data to support that.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:26, 23 March 2008 (CDT)
::::::Can we just call it Tier 5 and then move on. Its all quite clear from the structure of the RT. It is clear from the Coalition web site. Its clear from the RedEarth88 web site. It is clear from their video series. And they even have community video spin offs from within their series. I just fail to see how you could possibly do just to this at any less than Tier 5. So please lets inject some sanity into a discussion that has already gone to long. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck its a duck. So Tier 5 it is.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 19:34, 23 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::::If it is "clear" from so many websites, then it should not be difficult to provide the objective data to support that. If it is so clear, then I wonder why Immo himself suggested a 3-5 page (Tier 4) solution?
:::::::Not to mention, as I said before, the revamp does not override general pedia procedures. Even if they were the largest production on the internet - it still looks like no user cares for its pedia pages. Why create pages no one reads?

:::::::I don't think you quite get the state of discussion - this is practically settled. Given that Virginian's post makes very clear that each sub-series is ''not'' independent, The Coalition can only count as a whole. As such, Immo's list applies, and therefore, I've made a list of Tier 4 pages based on Immo's page suggestion. I am currently waiting for a specific person's opinion on this matter I'll get elsewhere, and once I have that, I can tell everyone how we will proceed.

:::::::So let me make this very clear: The images you see in your head are of no relevance to this discussion. Immo thought The Coalition should be rated higher, so he made a list of facts, that list was compelling, it seems now that it does apply to the situation, so currently, we're going from there. Nothing ''you'' posted in this entire discussion is even remotely comparable to Immo's contributions. The fact that you have images in your head, and the fact that ''your personal opinion'' is that the Coalition should be Tier 5 are, on their own, not relevant in the context of factual data.
:::::::It has been said, from the very, very, very beginning of this revamp, that we're looking for factual data. In fact, I believe you yourself quoted the relevant paragraph on LG15 Today. It was ''your'' decision to base your arguments on insults and condescendence instead, and you should've known from the beginning that wasn't going to work. (Well, at least after I've told you again and again.) So unless you stop your ridiculous "Are you blind?" posts and actually provide some cold, hard facts supporting your suggestion, the situation will be that there is one single person opposing the solution (you), and that person did, in half a dozen replies, not manage to make a single factual statement to support his opinion.
:::::::iow, the discussion would be over.
:::::::If it's so clear, it should be very easy to support your opinion. As such, should you not provide facts within your next post instead of the usual "you're too stupid, you have no idea, you're so blind" tirades, I'll have to assume you lied (again), it's absolutely ''not'' "obvious", and you don't have ''any'' facts to support your opinion.
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:::::::To everyone else still following: Like I said, I'm waiting for an important reply on this matter, and once I get what I need, I'll post an update.
:::::::The point to discuss right now would be whether Virginian's statement is true or not - can you watch just one series of the Coalition and still understand, enjoy and follow it without knowing the others?
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:22, 23 March 2008 (CDT)
:::::::::To reply to your last paragraph, I can't give a straight answer, except yes and no. The storylines collide. You can understand a storyline by following just one, but you would have to follow the colliding storylines to understand the whole story. Because of the number of interacting storylines that have been happening over the past many months, you really have to follow all to get the storyline. These are my observations as a fan, and I am not sure of what their official position is.
:::::::::It sounds from your posts that you and immo have worked out a solution, pending on talking to somebody. It sounds like a fine solution as Tier 4. Perhaps if expansions are wished for later, they can be reevaluated later. [[User:Virginian9000|Virginian9000]] 21:51, 23 March (EST)
::::::::::Who exactly put you in charge here Ren and with what authority do you speak. I have made the case and you are the one who has been flinging around random insults not me. LGPedia does have a procedure and it normally involves civil discussion not personal attacks and inflexible positions. I have simply stated what i feel is the corect position and I still hold that to be true and reasonable within the confines of the discussion. I have pointed out that i am in fact very flexible as I said to Ph but I want to make sure we select an option that best represents the current format of the Coalition and the Red Territory in general since it seems to make up a very large portion of the community videos today (probably in the region of 50-75 percent.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 21:08, 23 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::::::::Sounds nice the way you dress it. Does not change the fact that, after you stated your opinion a million times over, you still didn't provide any reason why your opinion is the "right" one. You just keep insisting it's "obvious", that I'm blind for not seeing it and whatever.
:::::::::::We got your opinion. Now bring ''facts''.
:::::::::::As for your initial question, if you actually were in touch with the entire community, representing the UGC creators the way you behave, ''and'' had talked to Immo, you'd have heard by now that Zoey sends anyone asking about the revamp to me.
:::::::::::Now add one and one together.

:::::::::::@virginian: That sounds like my simile to a character in other series is about right...You can get Taylor's tales about football and friends, but you can't follow her videos as a whole without knowing what happened with the rest of the characters - especially when it's about saving people from blood-sucking elders.
:::::::::::So, since I don't think anyone would see Taylor's vlogs as an independent series, I'm inclined to see your post as confirmation of my interpretation.
:::::::::::And yes, of course the pageset can be re-evaluated later (as true for all series). The pageset I've currently planned is...
:::::::::::* '''The Coalition''', with an intro that explains the concept of the universe, crossovers, interaction and stuff, and then sections for each series
:::::::::::* '''The Coalition characters''', again with four sections and a short blurb to each character.
:::::::::::* '''The Coalition videos''', listing the videos (if in sections or as one mixed list would have to be discussed).
:::::::::::* '''The Coalition interaction''' - this one was not suggested by Immo, but I've seen several references to drops and live events, so I think they should probably have a place somewhere.
::::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 21:39, 23 March 2008 (CDT)
::So you are talking on behalf of Zoey and the rest of the admins?--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 21:49, 23 March 2008 (CDT)
::::::::::::Okay, this discussion has been going on for quite some time, but it sounds like we've finally reached somewhat of a conclusion. Considering Immo suggested something very similar to what Ren just proposed, and it seems to reflect the nature of the series well (from what I know), for now we're gonna stick with this. If people want to offer minor variations, fine, but as of right now the Coalition is ''not'' going to be tier 5, but will be tier 4 with the pages Ren has proposed. We will reevaluate the series when some time has passed (as we plan to do with all series when needed), but continuing discussion now will likely not lead anywhere productive.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:55, 23 March 2008 (CDT)
::Oh yea, and I am glad you finally saw the wisdom in my "Tier 5 Lite" suggestion from earlier in the discussion.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 21:57, 23 March 2008 (CDT)
:::::::::::::Hear hear Jon . . . let's let's a move on with this Revamp, guys. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 23 March 2008 (CDT)

:::I am not talking "on behalf" of anyone. Every admin, including our head admin, has his or her very own opinion on the matters of this revamp. The statements I make are my own and do not represent the opinion or the discussion style of the pedia as a whole or specific administrators - the fact that I clashed with Shiori before should be proof of that.
:::I am not talking "on behalf" of anyone. My opinion is not necessarily Zoey's, Jonpro's, Pheon's or anyone else's opinion, and both Zoey and Pheon have made their own replies before.
:::I have been put in charge of the revamp and will be coordinating this discussion as well as the pedians' efforts to carry out the revamp as it transpires as a result of this grand discussion.
:::I know what you're trying to do. You know you've been beat, you know you have no factual evidence to support your claims, so you are trying to blame specific comments ''I'' made on the administration of LGPedia in order to pressure them into removing me, so you can get your will anyway.
:::It's not gonna work.
:::Anyone with an eye and a brain can read the discussion above and see that I am ''not'' the great dictator you'd like to paint me as, that I have actually reacted pretty well to factual arguments (for example from Immo), and that the only reason you're not getting what you want is that you post again and again and again without a single reference or objective fact.
:::Had you made factual arguments, they would've been taken into account, just as all other factual arguments have been taken into account. Try to lie, try to spin, but this exact discussion is proof of it more than anything - I started out with no, Immo got his facts out, and now I'm at yes and have actually based my pageset suggestion on Immo's earlier post. I have no problem with changing my opinion or seeing other people's points. As long as they're based on fact and reason, and not nebulous claims that everything is "obvious" and that I'm just too ignorant to see it.
:::This propaganda manipulation stuff may work on the blog, where you can say whatever you want and no one sees the references. It doesn't work here. The discussion is right above, and you cannot delete it. You said it is clear and obvious that you're right - yet you fail again and again to prove it. Even if you manage to blackmail the administration into appointing someone else, that will not change.
:::With virginian's at least semi-approving post above, you are the only one complaining about the treatment of the Coalition. And no ridiculous questioning of my authority in the last second will change this. We had a question. We have discussed it at length. Given that Immo wanted a Tier bump for The Coalition, and the Coalition will be getting one (unless higher-ups veto), I think the discussion was successful in the eyes of the original poster.
:::''Everybody is happy. Except for you.''
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:26, 23 March 2008 (CDT)
:::::Actually to the contrary. As far as I can see we got all we asked for. It is "Tier 5 lite" just like I suggested.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 00:09, 24 March 2008 (CDT)

::::::If this is the "Tier 5 lite" you suggested, then you're either incapable of reading the Tier 4 description, or just argued for arguing's sake. Thanks for annoying the hell out of everyone for nothing.
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 00:32, 24 March 2008 (CDT)
::Ren, your persistent insults are just incompatible with your role as "project leader" here. I was quite clear when Ph posted that there was a lot of common ground. You just fail to read what is written.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 05:19, 24 March 2008 (CDT)

:::To the contrary, I can read very well what was written - which is why I am capable of distinguishing ''"[...] a slighly different approach and different reasoning but I think we are close to a workable solution."'' from ''"It is 'Tier 5 lite' just like I suggested."'' and ''"Perhaps we could consider it as 'Tier 5 Lite' where fans of the series would have an 'option' to build out the pages if the shows independently or collectively gain traction with fans as seems to be currently happening."'' from ''"Tier 4 Fanfic is fanfic that, under all objective considerations, should belong to Tier 3, but for some subjective or organizational reason are allowed to branch out and create more than one page."''
:::The very basis of your suggestion was an entirely different one - you wanted "Tier 5 lite", with dynamic page creation under discretion of the editing users, whereas Tier 4 is a "Tier 3 Deluxe", where pages are only created when absolutely necessary.
:::And since I am capable of reading what is written, I can also take your post apart right here and now:
::::''Ren, your persistent insults'' --> unsourced attempt to make me look like an aggressor.
::::''are just incompatible with your role as'' --> unsourced attempt to project your personal expectations of the behavior of a project leader onto everyone else.
::::''"project leader" here.'' --> attempt to question my authority on these matters again, by putting my position into doubt, despite the fact that you know full well I am legitimitely leading this discussion.
::::''I was quite clear when Ph posted that there was a lot of common ground.'' --> non-denial denial. Your original statement, which I questioned, was "It is 'Tier 5 lite' just like I suggested."; your new statement does ''not'' contest that your original statement was incorrect. It merely states an actual, ''different'' fact: That your idea of "Tier 5 lite" admittedly was ''not'' equal to a Tier 4 listing, there was just "a lot of common ground". It may have been close, it may have covered a lot of "common ground", but as per your own statement, right there, it was ''not'' "just like [you] suggested".

:::Of course, all of that doesn't even touch on the fact that your interest in "Tier 5 lite" was long gone anyway:
:::*''Otherwise let's just make it Tier 5 and move onto the next issue.''
:::*''The reality is that we can simply make The Coalition Tier 5 and move on.''
:::*''It is really quite simple. The Coalition should be Tier 5.''

:::Tier 4 is ''not'' equal to "Tier 5 lite". Its very description made that clear from the inception of this page. So don't pretend you had any part in the solution of this discussion. All you did was repeatedly try to get us to move the Coalition to Tier 5, tell us the reasons were blatantly obvious without proving it, question my authority and try to blame the fact that no one edited the Coalition's LGPedia pages on the fact that the creators had not set up a community portal.
:::The truth is, the "magic moment" was one day ''before'' you suggested "Tier 5 lite" - when Immo's suggestion of ''"You can do this in 3-5 pages. [...]"'' was answered, quite clearly, by me with ''"As a Tier 4 solution, that sounds reasonable, and, given your list above, I am inclined to support that...however - there is still the question of whether The Coalition as a whole even is a series that can be bumped, and there are still the issues of general user interest and page maintenance."''
:::As of that point, ''four days ago'', it would just have been a question of whether his list actually applies or not. Instead, you dragged it out longer and longer, insisting Tier 5 was necessary, that we were all just too blind to see it, and questioning under what authority I was actually replying here.
:::I have asked you over and over and over again to support your posts with facts. You didn't, but still posted. You have done ''nothing'' to help this discussion come to an end, instead condescendingly implying we had no idea what we were talking about and no right no talk in the first place again and again. So don't sit here and pretend this was all your idea and you got exactly what you wanted.
:::''You'' and ''you alone'' are the reason this discussion was so godforsaken long and aggressive. Immo stated his points, I stated my points, Immo semi-convinced me, we discussed the next question, Virginian explained the connection between the series, I extracted the important information from that and was entirely convinced of Immo's suggestion, Virginian stated it sounded like a "fine solution", FH14 read through and agreed, milo, Jonpro and Pheon didn't object - it may have been heated at times, but in the end, we ''did'' have a factual discussion, I ''did'' accept the facts and Immo ''did'' convince me. The only one who kept ignoring all facts and arguments and kept repeating his "Tier 5! Tier 5!" cries with condescendence and insults is ''you''.
:::''You'' are the one who dragged out this discussion, and ''you'' are the one who fueled it with aggression and insults. You are not the great savior that suggested the solution. You are the reason the Revamp looks so fucked up to outside viewers.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:30, 24 March 2008 (CDT)
::::::What was your point?--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 08:23, 24 March 2008 (CDT)
:::::::See above, lest I cut and paste every comment I have made in the page week, along with some new amazing charts emphasizing said points, I am completely out of witty repartee at the moment ~ [[User:------|------]] ([[User talk:------|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/------|contribs]]) 04:36, 24 March 2008 (CDT) [This edit was added by Milowent and wrongfully attributed to another user - milo says sorry]
::::::::Can Childofthecult7 be reclassified as Tier 3 plus plus heavy? It's completely obvious that that is appropriate result.--[[User:------|------]] 04:36, 24 March 2008 (CDT) [This edit was added by Milowent and wrongfully attributed to another user - milo says sorry]
:::::::::[Head explodes] ~ [[User:------|------]] ([[User talk:------|talk]] | [This edit was added by Milowent and wrongfully attributed to another user - milo says sorry] [[Special:Contributions/------|contribs]]) 04:36, 24 March 2008 (CDT)
::::::::::I like applesauce.--[[User:------|------]] 4:36, 24 March 2008 (CDT) [This edit was added by Milowent and wrongfully attributed to another user - milo says sorry]
:::::::::::If i was being cute, I would have ghostwritten the last few comments myself. Let's go with the tier 4 for the Coalition as Ren sets forth above and move on!--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 09:12, 24 March 2008 (CDT)
::::::::::::Agreed. Also, seeing as this discussion is quite lengthy, it might be a good idea if it was moved to the archive --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 12:07 24 March 2008 (EST)

:::::::Exactly that, model.
::::::::::::Milo, I liked your previous posts, but this one went way, way too far. Do ''not'' pose as another user again. Period. It may be obvious to you, but it's not to everyone else. Even ''I'' went "wtf?! I didn't post that!!". It is important that users can trust a comment belongs to the person it was signed as, and a tiny little 4:36 is not hint enough, especially given that no one usually reads the timestamp.
::::::::::::Don't do that again. Ever.
:::::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 14:38, 24 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::::::::::Milo, I gotta side with Renegade on this one. I thought it was funny on [[Talk:437]], but that discussion wasn't as heated as this one and you made it much more obvious there. Also, here you impersonated people currently taking part in the discussion, which would only have the effect of confusing those trying to follow it. I apologize for encouraging you on the 437 talk page as impersonating other people (in any form) really is unacceptable. I let it slide because I thought it was funny, but now it's clear that it has the potential to cause major problems, so please, and this applies to everyone, '''never impersonate anyone else anywhere on the pedia'''. Anyone who does this will be warned and if they continue they may have their account blocked. Again, I apologize for encouraging it, but Ren is absolutely right, so let's just not do it.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:03, 24 March 2008 (CDT)
::::::::::::::OK, I agree I crossed the line that time. I am sorry and promise not to do that again. The debate had gotten so far out of hand that I was driven temporarily insane. There is a lot of unnecessary bickering going on, not that my attempt at humor helped at all. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 21:35, 24 March 2008 (CDT)
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I got the PM I was waiting for, but it was not as clear as I hoped. Please stand by while this is sorted out.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:41, 25 March 2008 (CDT)

==See also==
*Related discussions:
**[[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony#Redearth88|Redearth88 portal]]
**[[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony#New Series Template and General guidelines for All|General page layout for UGC]]

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User:LordGreystoke422

2008-05-24T07:06:27Z

LordGreystoke422:

I am [[LordGreystoke422]]. {{Userbox FanVidWhore}}
Because of recent developments I am strongly considering following Immant's lead and taking an indefinite hiatus from video making. Additionally I am considering taking it one step further and removing all of my videos. The lack of support and constant uphill battle to tell a story is rather tiresome however, a fight never deters me. Its the criticism of the small things that finally does it. When anything you do..even the simple act of making a PERSONAL userbox garners a talk discussion and people in charge become chagrined when you defend yourself..it gets old. They have never walked in the shoes of someone that has been picked at the entire way by both sides for the way things were done. Never been though the cyberstalking that eventually removes much of your joy from what you do. The need to defend ones acts against such a person..to finally gain action, only to find that person to have OBVIOUSLY come back and begin to pick at your work again. Then to have to justify things related to myself and my work..such as PERSONAL userboxes..and then another anonymously posts at almost the same time the stalker makes new negative userboxes..and people don't remotely get your frustration at not being able to make a little simple harmless userbox...something that is about personal expression without someone with obviously nothing better to do making an issue of it. In the end..the straw weighs a ton. The Straws keep on coming over a year later.

Based on the actions of some in chat they expect others to treat them differently than they treat them, an overall lack of even applications of the rules....Gone I stay. Be nice to strangers as you never know who they may really be.

P.S. I am NOT T.J. Marsh.
P.P.S. Didn't you hear me?

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LordGreystoke422

2008-05-24T07:04:59Z

LordGreystoke422: Replacing page with 'Because of repeated betrayals and abuse by members of the community I have pulled my videos and all information put forth about me and by me in order to avoid further compromis...'

Because of repeated betrayals and abuse by members of the community I have pulled my videos and all information put forth about me and by me in order to avoid further compromising myself.
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LG15 Spin-offs

2008-05-24T06:59:55Z

LordGreystoke422: /* Breeniverse Content */

==History==
In their post on November 24th, 2006 on the [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum lonelygirl15 message forum], [[the Creators]] of [[lonelygirl15]] explained the various ways that viewers could interact with their story. Along with viewers' ability to use the official forum to discuss the plot and characters with each other and post questions, comments and suggestions to the characters via the character interaction section of the forum, the Creators emboldened fans to "[c]reate your own characters and storylines within the [[Breeniverse]]." The post goes on to explain that once fans create such videos, this work can be submitted "as 'Video Comments' to a video we produce." Fans were encouraged to "Give [[Bree]] or [[Daniel]] advice. Create your own story (like [[LordGreystoke422]]) or make parody videos (like [[LonesomeOctober]])...you are only limited by your creativity." Many fans took up this challenge and began creating their own response videos. These fan-created videos are diverse in content, genre and production values.

Members of the official forum were given a section in which to discuss these fan-created works. The comments about these fan creations range from praise to criticism to lengthy discussions to occasional speculation about whether or not a video response is connected to the official story. One example of such speculation surrounding an official connection to the lg15 story has revolved around the video responses of [[Nikki Bower]], whose investigative report videos have been set in many of the same locations as [[canon]] videos. This speculation could be due to the fact that two official characters, [[Gemma]] and [[Jonas]], were introduced to the audience in videoblogs under the guise of fan responses. Once Gemma and Jonas were acknowledged by Bree in her videoblog, these two characters were understood to be an official part of the Breeniverse. Speculation about other videos revolved around the fan spin-off [[OpAphid]], which became the official [[Alternate Reality Game| ARG]] of the lonelygirl15 series. OpAphid is unique in the fact that it was not created by the lg15 production team, but was rather incorporated into the series. According to a post made on November 24th, 2006 on the official forum, the Creators stated that OpAphid "was a 100% fan created ARG. We liked it so much that we decided to contact the creator and make it the official LG15 ARG."

In this November 24th post, the Creators continue with the following statements: "We can't wait to see what other characters and storylines you guys come up with. Your creativity and passion is truly amazing." Although the producers of the lonelygirl15 saga encourage fan-created materials, they are careful not respond to, comment on, or endorse these videos in any way. Fan creations can be uploaded to users' personal [[Revver]] accounts, and can appear on the main page of the [http://lonelygirl15.com Tribute to Lonelygirl15 site] in a column next to the most recent lonelygirl15 video. Although referred to as "Fan Creations and Spin-offs" on the official forum, they are sometimes referred to by some viewers as {{wikipedia|Fan_fiction| Fan Fiction}}. This genre of fan-created video fiction is still developing and has yet to be named or specifically defined within the lexicon of fan-created endeavors.

==Breeniverse Content==
These are videos that take place in the fictional world of [[lonelygirl15]]. The videos may be made by unofficial characters or commentators, who live by the rules of the [[Breeniverse]]. They typically include four types of interaction:
*'''Character''' - users who post "in character" video responses to the LG15 videos. They claim to be various unseen characters or other people related directly to Bree's world.
*'''Commentary''' - post video replies to the LG15 characters offering them advice, etc.
*'''Interactive''' - [[Alternate Reality Game|ARGs]] or other interactive videos relating to the Breeniverse
*'''Cassie fanfic''' - Based on the unseen character of [[Cassie]]; often posted as Cassie herself or commenting on what happened to her.
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| [[Aaronbeast]]
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| Daniel's supposed brother, Aaron.
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| [[The Deacons (commenter)]]
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| [http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=90CB4AF3668E4366 Dreams in the Breeniverse]
| Character
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| {{youtube-user|dehteraew}}
| Character
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| [[HOOBS]]
| Character(s)
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| [[Immant]]
| Character
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| [[Jumatie]]
| Character
| Three siblings move from the UK into [[Bree]]'s house and her spirit is haunting them
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| {{youtube-user|PhillFlash|Lonelygirl15's Dad}}
| Character
| A series of videos following Lonelygirl15's Dad as he tries to raise his daughter and is thrown into his own adventure with The Order. The series also includes other memorable LG15 characters such as Daniel's Train Hopping Buddy and A Watcher.
|-
| {{youtube-user|Lonefox101}}
| Character
| Ethan, a 17-year-old ex-agent for the [[Wyman Foundation]], helps protect trait positive girls from the Order.
|-
| [[LonesomeOctober]]
| Character
| Posts in-character video responses as [[Purple Monkey]] and [[Owen]].
|-
| {{youtube-user|N3uralN3t|N3ural N3t}}
| Character(s)
| A support network made up of individuals dedicated to providing research and support to those fighting against the Order.
|-
| [[Paulmark18|Paul and Andrea]]
| Character
| Post videos as [[Paul]] and [[Andrea]], the unseen friends of Daniel who have been mentioned in several early lonelygirl15 videos.
|-
| {{youtube-user|ProjectStatic}}
| Character
| A fan fiction character connected to TheLadyLazarus ARG.
|-
| {{youtube-user|sarahsnotebook}}
| Character
| Claims to have escaped the Order 15 years ago. Her videos chronicle her traumatic memories of the ceremony and express her wish to help Bree.
|-
| {{youtube-user|SarahsHymn13|Sarah M}}
| Character
| A girl who is faithful to the hymn of one.
|-
| {{youtube-user|StormFaction}}
| Character
| Leader of a resistance movement against [[the Order]].
|-
| {{revver-user|The707clique|The 707 clique}}
| Character
| He drank an orange slurpee and turned evil, posts videos about his adventures working for the Order.
|-
| [[The Flock]]
| Character(s)
| The Flock are followers of the Hymn of One. While Ceremony candidates may be included not all Flock members are Ceremony candidates.
|-
| [[Xeniph]]
| Character
| Claims to have met Bree at Camp. She posts as the daughter of someone who works with the Elders (although the exact work relationship has never been described). She gives Bree advice, but she has troubles of her own.
|-
| {{youtube-user|Zarbod}}
| Character
| An extraterrestrial on YouTube who has a crush on Bree.
|-
| {{myspace|zigarami|ZiGaRaMi}}
| Character
| Psychotic male feline who claims to have captured Bree at many points in the series. He has expressed sexual desires for Jonas, Bree, and Daniel.
|-
| [[ApotheosisAZ]]
| Commentary
| A person of the highest ethical order, submits insane satire and zaniness.
|-
| {{youtube-user|BBrucker2|Brucker}}
| Commentary
| Offers common-sense safety tips to the lg15 bloggers. He may be a member of the Order.
|-
| {{youtube-user|bubbleteamarilee|bubbleteagirl}}
| Commentary
| bubbleteagirl replies to Bree, Daniel and Jonas's videos. Usually she offers advice. Sometimes she shares personal stories that are similar or related to situations in the Breeniverse.
|-
| {{myspace|codenameladysolitary|Codenameladysolitary}}
| Commentary
| Codenameladysolitary (or ladysolitary85) is a young woman who suffered loss memory of everything she knew. She discovered DBJ and the problems they've been falling through with the Order. She has been trying to investigate more about them in hope to find out more on herself and her past. Usually posting blogs on myspace being on the run herself.
|-
| {{youtube-user|eviltachyon}}
| Commentary
| Eviltachyon is a 20 year old man who is Tachyon's older brother. he sometimes offers her advice, and is currently staying with his '''uncle''' Alex.
|-
| {{youtube-user|acrowleyorder|Gemma Crowley}}
| Commentary
| Gemma Crowley issues photographic warnings and information on the Order
|-
| [[Iris2009]]
| Commentary
| Offers his advice to Bree, Daniel and Jonas while he is on the run.
|-
| [[masonishappy]]
| Commentary
| Posts videos criticizing the TAAG's actions and offering assistance.
|-
| [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SACREDfilms Students of Anchor Cove Rallying to Eliminate Degeneracy]
| Commentary
| A series of satirical videos, often with clips from black and white 1950s morality-film strips, "to help Bree and all decent girls the trappings of the modern age."
|-
| [[TWJaniak]]
| Commentary
| Has occasionally shared his advice with Bree and Daniel, in addition to other responses to events in the world of lonelygirl15.
|-
| {{youtube-user|EWLPRI}}
| Interactive
| The Elendi-Waffle Lonelistic Physics Institute is an organization which studies the physics behind the happenings in this our Breeniverse and reports them to you.
|-
| [[The Coalition]]
| Interactive
| Four fan-created ARGs exploring dangerous and mysterious organizations.
|-
| [[The Homeschoolers Aggregate]]
| Interactive
| A participatory online pursuit for the gifted homeschooler focused on structure, philosophy and lessons inspired by the events in Bree's life.
|-
| {{myspace|irisbreakstheglass|The Iris Network}}
| Interactive
| A participatory online network, seeking revenge upon the Order of Denderah.<br><small>Associated accounts are known to be: {{youtube-user|riverstyxshow}}, {{youtube-user|Damieneyes}}, {{youtube-user|sexhexy}}, {{youtube-user|OmzigTheLemur}}, {{youtube-user|GenocideInMyMind|Genocide}}, and {{youtube-user|jdolorous}}.</small>
|-
| {{youtube-user|xItsMx|ItsM}}
| Interactive
| Posts videos that revolve around uncovering the identity of [[Tachyon]] as well as others containing puzzles to be solved by the viewer.
|-
| [[LordGreystoke422]]
| Interactive
| Posts videos that revolve around his pursuit by mysterious people who may or may not be related to [[OpAphid]] and [[the Order]]. In addition, he offers help and support to Bree and Daniel. Info removed to avoid betrayals.
|-
| {{youtube-user|MissionAnchorCove|Mission: Return To Anchor Cove}}
| Interactive
| An ARG focused around the LG15 world.
|-
| {{youtube-user|OpScorn}}
| Interactive
| An Opaphid-like ARG focused around the TheLadyLazarus and LG15 world.
|-
| [[Redearth88]]
| Interactive
| Series spun-off from OpAphid, by the original creator of the ARG. ([[Maddison Atkins]], which is part of the series, was originally separate.)
|-
| [[Red Territory]]
| Interactive
| Metaverse, encompassing [[Redearth88]], [[The Coalition]], and several other series.
|-
| {{youtube-user|TheLadyLazarus}}
| Interactive
| An ARG based on cassieiswatching and OpAphid in the LG15 world.
|-
| [[breeiswaiting]]
| Cassie fanfic
| This youtube account released one video entitled "whitegreenwhite" on October 13, 2006, the day after [[Bree]] was supposed to do [[The Ceremony]], and it was accepted as the first response to that video on youtube. While the video makes no direct allusions to [[Cassie]], the account title and tenor of the video seemed to be a purposeful clone of the [[cassieiswatching]] style. The video appears to direct viewers to a potential drop site in Topanga Canyon. While the video appeared to garner little interest when it was first released, [[Nikki Bower]] later claimed that this video directed her to the place where she located the box with the [[Watcher]] symbol on it.
|-
| [[cassieiswatching]]
| Cassie fanfic
| Quickly rose to infamy by posting videos implying she was the
[[Cassie]] that Bree had briefly discussed with Daniel. One of the most popular early fan series, cassieiswatching spawned many spin-offs of its own.
|-
| {{youtube-user|cassieresurrection}}
| Cassie fanfic
| This user started posting videos on February 12th, 2007, which count down starting from day 9, presumably to the day of her "ressurection." The style is somewhat in between the styles of cassieiswatching and itscassie.
|-
| {{youtube-user|etchings|Etchings}}
| Cassie fanfic
| Videos of a stalker hunting prey.
|-
| {{youtube-user|Frankiswaking}}
| Cassie fanfic
| A spinoff of [[cassieiswatching]]. This user posts videos as the [[Frank]] who is mentioned in the cassieiswatching series.
|-
| {{youtube-user|fourthface}}
| Cassie fanfic
| Posts videos are mostly comprised of text on the screen warning Bree that she is in danger from someone known as The Keeper.
|-
| {{youtube-user|GuillotineCalamity}}
| Cassie fanfic
|
|-
| [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=itrog itrog]
| Cassie fanfic
|
|-
| [[itscassie]]
| Cassie fanfic
| Posts dark videos as [[Cassie]] locked in [[the Order]]'s secret, undisclosed compound.
|}
{{clr}}

==Our World Content==
These are fan videos created with the knowledge that Lonelygirl15 [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree | is fake]]. They may post spoofs, commentary, or other types of replies to the [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos | LG15 Videos]].

{| align=center border="1" cellpadding="2" style="border: 1px solid #bbbbbb;" class="sortable" width="100%"
!style="background:#6DA2E1; color:white"|Name
!style="background:#6DA2E1; color:white"|Genre
!style="background:#6DA2E1; color:white"|Description
|-
| {{youtube|snLtHgHmjDk|Ask-A-Ninja}}
|Comedy
|Spoof, using carefully edited LG15 and Ask-A-Ninja clips to make Bree seem to fall in love with the ninja.
|-
| [[Deemontreal]]
| Music Videos
| A musician who created a music video tribute to lonelygirl15
|-
| {{youtube-user|DrBethany|Dr. Bethany}}
| Comedy/Commentary
| A spin-off of [[Lonelyjew15]] that follows the bear Bethany as he comments on life.
|-
| {{youtube|1vj05Ngiy30|Happy Slip}}
| Comedy
| Sketch comedy claiming that Happy Slip auditioned for the part of Bree.
|-
| {{youtube-user|schneidz124|Kelseygirl15}}
| Comedy
| Kelsey did many spoofs of LG15, and was originally believed to be a [[List of New Girl Candidates|new girl]].
|-
| [[Epic Movie|Lonelygirl362436]]
| Comedy
| Carmen Electra blogs a spoof of lg15 from the Creators of [[Epic Movie]].
|-
| {{youtube-user|wahple|Lonelydude15}}
| Parody
| Series about a lonely boy similar to Bree, named Brett. He solves problems of his life with his friend Danielle, similar to Daniel.
|-
| [[Lonelyjew15]]
| Parody
| A webisodic parody of lonelygirl15 that asks, "What if Anne Frank had a webcam?"
|-
| {{youtube-user|whitetigerdream|Marbella}}
| Comedy/Commentary
| Posts a wide variety of video responses. Some are parodies. Others are fan videos.
Dr. Marbella has a DSAVM. That's a doctorate in stuffed animal veterinary medicine.
All of her videos are WAY far out~but FUN!
|-
| {{youtube-user|MintGurl}}
| Comedy/Commentary
| Videos about OpAphid and Lonelygirl15 as well as comedy videos about DanielBeast
|-
| [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=mossymansions mossymansions]
| Music Videos
| A fan who wrote and recorded a song entitled "Lonely Girl 15" about Bree's adventures and posted it on YouTube.
|-
| {{youtube|RLgBEoxhjDw|MsBlackBetty}}
| Vlog
| The winner of the Miss HorrorFest 2007 title, that did a lonelygirl15 parody video.
|-
|{{youtube|cb0mKf7j640|Selaphesia}}
| Comedy
| Some crazed teenagers play with Lego figures, acting out violent confrontations between Bree and Daniel.
|-
|
{{youtube|p4LPD60OdL0|The Story of Purple Monkey}}
| Parody
| A trailer for a movie starring Bree as the villain who abuses P. Monkey.
|-
| {{youtube-user|tigerlilylynn|TigerlilyLynn}}
| Documentary
| YouTube fan account recapping the ARG Puzzles and drops.
|-
| [[Tannhaus]]
| Vlog
| Posts a video series known as ''A Thelemite Speaks.''
|-
| {{youtube|nsjuPX8C2lo|TheLonelyHill88}}
| Comedy
| Spoof by popular Australian YouTuber [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheHill88 TheHill88]
|-
| {{youtube-user|TitoHandyman}}
| Vlog
| Chronicles his attempts to establish a beehive in responses to Bree's videos.
|-
| {{youtube-user|valleygirl15|ValleyGirl15}}
| Comedy
| Spoof of Bree, in the Alternate Reality, known as the San Fernando Valley.
|-
| {{youtube-user|watchingOpAphid|WatchingOpAphid}}
| Documentary
| YouTube fan account attempting to keep track of all [[OpAphid]]-related posts.
|-
| {{youtube|G2Tgv2VJEEs|WHATTHEBUCKSHOW}}
| Comedy
| Made a newscast about Bree's Death.
|-
| {{youtube-user|yourmomissmarmy|YourMomIsSmarmy}}
| Comedy
| YouTube user that made a parody video of LG15.
|}

[[Category:User Generated Content]]

LG15 Spin-offs

2008-05-20T14:01:34Z

LordGreystoke422: /* Breeniverse Content */

==History==
In their post on November 24th, 2006 on the [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum lonelygirl15 message forum], [[the Creators]] of [[lonelygirl15]] explained the various ways that viewers could interact with their story. Along with viewers' ability to use the official forum to discuss the plot and characters with each other and post questions, comments and suggestions to the characters via the character interaction section of the forum, the Creators emboldened fans to "[c]reate your own characters and storylines within the [[Breeniverse]]." The post goes on to explain that once fans create such videos, this work can be submitted "as 'Video Comments' to a video we produce." Fans were encouraged to "Give [[Bree]] or [[Daniel]] advice. Create your own story (like [[LordGreystoke422]]) or make parody videos (like [[LonesomeOctober]])...you are only limited by your creativity." Many fans took up this challenge and began creating their own response videos. These fan-created videos are diverse in content, genre and production values.

Members of the official forum were given a section in which to discuss these fan-created works. The comments about these fan creations range from praise to criticism to lengthy discussions to occasional speculation about whether or not a video response is connected to the official story. One example of such speculation surrounding an official connection to the lg15 story has revolved around the video responses of [[Nikki Bower]], whose investigative report videos have been set in many of the same locations as [[canon]] videos. This speculation could be due to the fact that two official characters, [[Gemma]] and [[Jonas]], were introduced to the audience in videoblogs under the guise of fan responses. Once Gemma and Jonas were acknowledged by Bree in her videoblog, these two characters were understood to be an official part of the Breeniverse. Speculation about other videos revolved around the fan spin-off [[OpAphid]], which became the official [[Alternate Reality Game| ARG]] of the lonelygirl15 series. OpAphid is unique in the fact that it was not created by the lg15 production team, but was rather incorporated into the series. According to a post made on November 24th, 2006 on the official forum, the Creators stated that OpAphid "was a 100% fan created ARG. We liked it so much that we decided to contact the creator and make it the official LG15 ARG."

In this November 24th post, the Creators continue with the following statements: "We can't wait to see what other characters and storylines you guys come up with. Your creativity and passion is truly amazing." Although the producers of the lonelygirl15 saga encourage fan-created materials, they are careful not respond to, comment on, or endorse these videos in any way. Fan creations can be uploaded to users' personal [[Revver]] accounts, and can appear on the main page of the [http://lonelygirl15.com Tribute to Lonelygirl15 site] in a column next to the most recent lonelygirl15 video. Although referred to as "Fan Creations and Spin-offs" on the official forum, they are sometimes referred to by some viewers as {{wikipedia|Fan_fiction| Fan Fiction}}. This genre of fan-created video fiction is still developing and has yet to be named or specifically defined within the lexicon of fan-created endeavors.

==Breeniverse Content==
These are videos that take place in the fictional world of [[lonelygirl15]]. The videos may be made by unofficial characters or commentators, who live by the rules of the [[Breeniverse]]. They typically include four types of interaction:
*'''Character''' - users who post "in character" video responses to the LG15 videos. They claim to be various unseen characters or other people related directly to Bree's world.
*'''Commentary''' - post video replies to the LG15 characters offering them advice, etc.
*'''Interactive''' - [[Alternate Reality Game|ARGs]] or other interactive videos relating to the Breeniverse
*'''Cassie fanfic''' - Based on the unseen character of [[Cassie]]; often posted as Cassie herself or commenting on what happened to her.
{{clr}}

{| align=center border="1" cellpadding="2" style="border: 1px solid #bbbbbb;" class="sortable" width="100%"
!style="background:#6DA2E1; color:white"|Name
!style="background:#6DA2E1; color:white"|Type
!style="background:#6DA2E1; color:white"|Description
|-
| [[Aaronbeast]]
| Character
| Daniel's supposed brother, Aaron.
|-
| [[The Deacons (commenter)]]
| Character
| Posts on the comments board of the LG15 website as the higher-ups from [[the Order]], giving Bree advice and warnings and often beseeching her to return to them.
|-
| [http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=90CB4AF3668E4366 Dreams in the Breeniverse]
| Character
| An ongoing series of dreams from both canon and non-canon characters created by Jerry Wright aka voyboy
|-
| {{youtube-user|dehteraew}}
| Character
| dehteraew or "We Are The D," accounts for a member of [[OpAphid]] now on the run from them.
|-
| [[HOOBS]]
| Character(s)
| Numerous characters take a place within the Hymn of One Boarding school as teachers and students, working together to find their eternal songs.
|-
| [[Immant]]
| Character
| A reformist doctor who serves as [[the Order]]'s Minister of Information, uses his videos to share minimal information with the public about the Order's history and intentions.
|-
| [[Jumatie]]
| Character
| Three siblings move from the UK into [[Bree]]'s house and her spirit is haunting them
|-
| {{youtube-user|PhillFlash|Lonelygirl15's Dad}}
| Character
| A series of videos following Lonelygirl15's Dad as he tries to raise his daughter and is thrown into his own adventure with The Order. The series also includes other memorable LG15 characters such as Daniel's Train Hopping Buddy and A Watcher.
|-
| {{youtube-user|Lonefox101}}
| Character
| Ethan, a 17-year-old ex-agent for the [[Wyman Foundation]], helps protect trait positive girls from the Order.
|-
| [[LonesomeOctober]]
| Character
| Posts in-character video responses as [[Purple Monkey]] and [[Owen]].
|-
| {{youtube-user|N3uralN3t|N3ural N3t}}
| Character(s)
| A support network made up of individuals dedicated to providing research and support to those fighting against the Order.
|-
| [[Paulmark18|Paul and Andrea]]
| Character
| Post videos as [[Paul]] and [[Andrea]], the unseen friends of Daniel who have been mentioned in several early lonelygirl15 videos.
|-
| {{youtube-user|ProjectStatic}}
| Character
| A fan fiction character connected to TheLadyLazarus ARG.
|-
| {{youtube-user|sarahsnotebook}}
| Character
| Claims to have escaped the Order 15 years ago. Her videos chronicle her traumatic memories of the ceremony and express her wish to help Bree.
|-
| {{youtube-user|SarahsHymn13|Sarah M}}
| Character
| A girl who is faithful to the hymn of one.
|-
| {{youtube-user|StormFaction}}
| Character
| Leader of a resistance movement against [[the Order]].
|-
| {{revver-user|The707clique|The 707 clique}}
| Character
| He drank an orange slurpee and turned evil, posts videos about his adventures working for the Order.
|-
| [[The Flock]]
| Character(s)
| The Flock are followers of the Hymn of One. While Ceremony candidates may be included not all Flock members are Ceremony candidates.
|-
| [[Xeniph]]
| Character
| Claims to have met Bree at Camp. She posts as the daughter of someone who works with the Elders (although the exact work relationship has never been described). She gives Bree advice, but she has troubles of her own.
|-
| {{youtube-user|Zarbod}}
| Character
| An extraterrestrial on YouTube who has a crush on Bree.
|-
| {{myspace|zigarami|ZiGaRaMi}}
| Character
| Psychotic male feline who claims to have captured Bree at many points in the series. He has expressed sexual desires for Jonas, Bree, and Daniel.
|-
| [[ApotheosisAZ]]
| Commentary
| A person of the highest ethical order, submits insane satire and zaniness.
|-
| {{youtube-user|BBrucker2|Brucker}}
| Commentary
| Offers common-sense safety tips to the lg15 bloggers. He may be a member of the Order.
|-
| {{youtube-user|bubbleteamarilee|bubbleteagirl}}
| Commentary
| bubbleteagirl replies to Bree, Daniel and Jonas's videos. Usually she offers advice. Sometimes she shares personal stories that are similar or related to situations in the Breeniverse.
|-
| {{myspace|codenameladysolitary|Codenameladysolitary}}
| Commentary
| Codenameladysolitary (or ladysolitary85) is a young woman who suffered loss memory of everything she knew. She discovered DBJ and the problems they've been falling through with the Order. She has been trying to investigate more about them in hope to find out more on herself and her past. Usually posting blogs on myspace being on the run herself.
|-
| {{youtube-user|eviltachyon}}
| Commentary
| Eviltachyon is a 20 year old man who is Tachyon's older brother. he sometimes offers her advice, and is currently staying with his '''uncle''' Alex.
|-
| {{youtube-user|acrowleyorder|Gemma Crowley}}
| Commentary
| Gemma Crowley issues photographic warnings and information on the Order
|-
| [[Iris2009]]
| Commentary
| Offers his advice to Bree, Daniel and Jonas while he is on the run.
|-
| [[masonishappy]]
| Commentary
| Posts videos criticizing the TAAG's actions and offering assistance.
|-
| [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SACREDfilms Students of Anchor Cove Rallying to Eliminate Degeneracy]
| Commentary
| A series of satirical videos, often with clips from black and white 1950s morality-film strips, "to help Bree and all decent girls the trappings of the modern age."
|-
| [[TWJaniak]]
| Commentary
| Has occasionally shared his advice with Bree and Daniel, in addition to other responses to events in the world of lonelygirl15.
|-
| {{youtube-user|EWLPRI}}
| Interactive
| The Elendi-Waffle Lonelistic Physics Institute is an organization which studies the physics behind the happenings in this our Breeniverse and reports them to you.
|-
| [[The Coalition]]
| Interactive
| Four fan-created ARGs exploring dangerous and mysterious organizations.
|-
| [[The Homeschoolers Aggregate]]
| Interactive
| A participatory online pursuit for the gifted homeschooler focused on structure, philosophy and lessons inspired by the events in Bree's life.
|-
| {{myspace|irisbreakstheglass|The Iris Network}}
| Interactive
| A participatory online network, seeking revenge upon the Order of Denderah.<br><small>Associated accounts are known to be: {{youtube-user|riverstyxshow}}, {{youtube-user|Damieneyes}}, {{youtube-user|sexhexy}}, {{youtube-user|OmzigTheLemur}}, {{youtube-user|GenocideInMyMind|Genocide}}, and {{youtube-user|jdolorous}}.</small>
|-
| {{youtube-user|xItsMx|ItsM}}
| Interactive
| Posts videos that revolve around uncovering the identity of [[Tachyon]] as well as others containing puzzles to be solved by the viewer.
|-
| [[LordGreystoke422]]
| Interactive
| Posts videos that revolve around his pursuit by mysterious people who may or may not be related to [[OpAphid]] and [[the Order]]. In addition, he offers help and support to Bree and Daniel.
|-
| {{youtube-user|MissionAnchorCove|Mission: Return To Anchor Cove}}
| Interactive
| An ARG focused around the LG15 world.
|-
| {{youtube-user|OpScorn}}
| Interactive
| An Opaphid-like ARG focused around the TheLadyLazarus and LG15 world.
|-
| [[Redearth88]]
| Interactive
| Series spun-off from OpAphid, by the original creator of the ARG. ([[Maddison Atkins]], which is part of the series, was originally separate.)
|-
| [[Red Territory]]
| Interactive
| Metaverse, encompassing [[Redearth88]], [[The Coalition]], and several other series.
|-
| {{youtube-user|TheLadyLazarus}}
| Interactive
| An ARG based on cassieiswatching and OpAphid in the LG15 world.
|-
| [[breeiswaiting]]
| Cassie fanfic
| This youtube account released one video entitled "whitegreenwhite" on October 13, 2006, the day after [[Bree]] was supposed to do [[The Ceremony]], and it was accepted as the first response to that video on youtube. While the video makes no direct allusions to [[Cassie]], the account title and tenor of the video seemed to be a purposeful clone of the [[cassieiswatching]] style. The video appears to direct viewers to a potential drop site in Topanga Canyon. While the video appeared to garner little interest when it was first released, [[Nikki Bower]] later claimed that this video directed her to the place where she located the box with the [[Watcher]] symbol on it.
|-
| [[cassieiswatching]]
| Cassie fanfic
| Quickly rose to infamy by posting videos implying she was the
[[Cassie]] that Bree had briefly discussed with Daniel. One of the most popular early fan series, cassieiswatching spawned many spin-offs of its own.
|-
| {{youtube-user|cassieresurrection}}
| Cassie fanfic
| This user started posting videos on February 12th, 2007, which count down starting from day 9, presumably to the day of her "ressurection." The style is somewhat in between the styles of cassieiswatching and itscassie.
|-
| {{youtube-user|etchings|Etchings}}
| Cassie fanfic
| Videos of a stalker hunting prey.
|-
| {{youtube-user|Frankiswaking}}
| Cassie fanfic
| A spinoff of [[cassieiswatching]]. This user posts videos as the [[Frank]] who is mentioned in the cassieiswatching series.
|-
| {{youtube-user|fourthface}}
| Cassie fanfic
| Posts videos are mostly comprised of text on the screen warning Bree that she is in danger from someone known as The Keeper.
|-
| {{youtube-user|GuillotineCalamity}}
| Cassie fanfic
|
|-
| [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=itrog itrog]
| Cassie fanfic
|
|-
| [[itscassie]]
| Cassie fanfic
| Posts dark videos as [[Cassie]] locked in [[the Order]]'s secret, undisclosed compound.
|}
{{clr}}

==Our World Content==
These are fan videos created with the knowledge that Lonelygirl15 [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree | is fake]]. They may post spoofs, commentary, or other types of replies to the [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos | LG15 Videos]].

{| align=center border="1" cellpadding="2" style="border: 1px solid #bbbbbb;" class="sortable" width="100%"
!style="background:#6DA2E1; color:white"|Name
!style="background:#6DA2E1; color:white"|Genre
!style="background:#6DA2E1; color:white"|Description
|-
| {{youtube|snLtHgHmjDk|Ask-A-Ninja}}
|Comedy
|Spoof, using carefully edited LG15 and Ask-A-Ninja clips to make Bree seem to fall in love with the ninja.
|-
| [[Deemontreal]]
| Music Videos
| A musician who created a music video tribute to lonelygirl15
|-
| {{youtube-user|DrBethany|Dr. Bethany}}
| Comedy/Commentary
| A spin-off of [[Lonelyjew15]] that follows the bear Bethany as he comments on life.
|-
| {{youtube|1vj05Ngiy30|Happy Slip}}
| Comedy
| Sketch comedy claiming that Happy Slip auditioned for the part of Bree.
|-
| {{youtube-user|schneidz124|Kelseygirl15}}
| Comedy
| Kelsey did many spoofs of LG15, and was originally believed to be a [[List of New Girl Candidates|new girl]].
|-
| [[Epic Movie|Lonelygirl362436]]
| Comedy
| Carmen Electra blogs a spoof of lg15 from the Creators of [[Epic Movie]].
|-
| {{youtube-user|wahple|Lonelydude15}}
| Parody
| Series about a lonely boy similar to Bree, named Brett. He solves problems of his life with his friend Danielle, similar to Daniel.
|-
| [[Lonelyjew15]]
| Parody
| A webisodic parody of lonelygirl15 that asks, "What if Anne Frank had a webcam?"
|-
| {{youtube-user|whitetigerdream|Marbella}}
| Comedy/Commentary
| Posts a wide variety of video responses. Some are parodies. Others are fan videos.
Dr. Marbella has a DSAVM. That's a doctorate in stuffed animal veterinary medicine.
All of her videos are WAY far out~but FUN!
|-
| {{youtube-user|MintGurl}}
| Comedy/Commentary
| Videos about OpAphid and Lonelygirl15 as well as comedy videos about DanielBeast
|-
| [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=mossymansions mossymansions]
| Music Videos
| A fan who wrote and recorded a song entitled "Lonely Girl 15" about Bree's adventures and posted it on YouTube.
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| {{youtube|RLgBEoxhjDw|MsBlackBetty}}
| Vlog
| The winner of the Miss HorrorFest 2007 title, that did a lonelygirl15 parody video.
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|{{youtube|cb0mKf7j640|Selaphesia}}
| Comedy
| Some crazed teenagers play with Lego figures, acting out violent confrontations between Bree and Daniel.
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{{youtube|p4LPD60OdL0|The Story of Purple Monkey}}
| Parody
| A trailer for a movie starring Bree as the villain who abuses P. Monkey.
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| {{youtube-user|tigerlilylynn|TigerlilyLynn}}
| Documentary
| YouTube fan account recapping the ARG Puzzles and drops.
|-
| [[Tannhaus]]
| Vlog
| Posts a video series known as ''A Thelemite Speaks.''
|-
| {{youtube|nsjuPX8C2lo|TheLonelyHill88}}
| Comedy
| Spoof by popular Australian YouTuber [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheHill88 TheHill88]
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| {{youtube-user|TitoHandyman}}
| Vlog
| Chronicles his attempts to establish a beehive in responses to Bree's videos.
|-
| {{youtube-user|valleygirl15|ValleyGirl15}}
| Comedy
| Spoof of Bree, in the Alternate Reality, known as the San Fernando Valley.
|-
| {{youtube-user|watchingOpAphid|WatchingOpAphid}}
| Documentary
| YouTube fan account attempting to keep track of all [[OpAphid]]-related posts.
|-
| {{youtube|G2Tgv2VJEEs|WHATTHEBUCKSHOW}}
| Comedy
| Made a newscast about Bree's Death.
|-
| {{youtube-user|yourmomissmarmy|YourMomIsSmarmy}}
| Comedy
| YouTube user that made a parody video of LG15.
|}

[[Category:User Generated Content]]

LordGreystoke422

2008-05-19T21:54:59Z

LordGreystoke422: /* References */

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:''See also [[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422's user page]].

== Summary ==
'''LordGreystoke422''' is a fan of [[Bree|lonelygirl15]] and [[cassieiswatching]] who has made a number of response videos following the series. He is the most prolific video responder, having well over fifty videos. Most of his videos take place within the Greater {{wikipedia|New_Orleans|New Orleans}} area. They revolve around his pursuit by mysterious people which may or may not be related to [[OpAphid]] and the [[the Order|Order of Denderah]]. He has also been a rather prolific forum responder before his "ordeal" began. A {{wikipedia|Hurricane_Katrina|Katrina}} survivor struggling along with the rest of the city, he sought some diversion in the [[Lonelygirl15|Lonelygirl15 series]]. A few e-mails from a mysterious figure that he refers to as [[G-mail Frank]] quickly changed a simple diversion into an ordeal that utterly changed his life turning him into a fugitive. He is accompanied by his dog, Gabriel, which was found during his time hiding out. LordGreystoke422 has utilized a varied array of different gear and technologies in order to defend himself, remain connected, and to make his stay more comfortable despite the harsh conditions he is living in.

===LG422 and G-Mail Frank===
His first two videos, [http://one.revver.com/watch/73811/flv #1 They Are After Me For What I Know!] and [http://one.revver.com/watch/73813/flv #2 Corrections On The Run] were filmed nearly simultaneously, and dealt with the series of e-mails from [[Frankiswaiting@gmail.com]]. In the first video LG422 tells us he thinks he is being followed and believes it may be over what he has figured out from the e-mails from [[G-Mail Frank]]. It seems that the e-mails point to certain passages from the {{wikipedia|Book_of_the_Law|Book of Law}} and LG422 relates which ones in his video. At the end of the first video, it seems that LG422 meets his pursuers up close for the first time and a [http://www.lordgreystoke422.blogspot.com/ chase] ensues. He narrowly escapes and posts his second video telling what happened along with a correction to passages that [[G-mail Frank]] corrected him about in an e-mail as he was fleeing. In [http://one.revver.com/watch/76913/flv #3 Tarzan and The Light of Geometria. WTF?] LordGreystoke422 tells us that he has found an abandoned hurricane-ravaged house outside New Orleans to hole up in and talks about a probable typo by [[G-mail Frank]] that more than likely meant {{wikipedia|Gematria}}. In [http://one.revver.com/watch/76731/flv #4 A Question for the Venetian Princess] LG422 shows us possibly the first glimpse of his varied sense of humor, in which he makes a joking response video to a very popular [[YouTube]] video producer, Venetian Princess. [[Gabriel]] is introduced for the first time, in [http://one.revver.com/watch/76931/flv #5 My Hero Deserves a Name], where LordGreystoke422 asks the public to help find a name for his hero.

===LG422 and OpAphid===
LordGreystoke422 mentions [[OpAphid]] for the first time in his video, [http://one.revver.com/watch/77014/flv/affiliate/28541 #6 Who is OpAphid/WWF Audition], after OpAphid makes claims of the attacks on LG422 in his [[YouTube]] video comments. LordGreystoke422 proposes that maybe remote viewing is the means through which he is being tracked for the first time in [http://one.revver.com/watch/77046/flv/affiliate/28541 #7 Remote Viewing]. He suggests that OpAphid is canon based on timing of LG15 videos being posted and their own video in [http://one.revver.com/watch/77039/flv/affiliate/28541 #8 OpAphid Confirmed?].

===LG422 protects himself===
LordGreystoke422 films [http://one.revver.com/watch/77106/flv/affiliate/28541 #9 Dead Safe?] in a New Orleans cemetery in order to test a theory for blocking remote viewing. [http://one.revver.com/watch/77265/flv/affiliate/28541 #10 Greystoke Emergency Video] sees LordGreystoke422 introduce us to the fact that the people after him may be mind-controlled. He demonstrates a way of creating some very crude shielding in [http://one.revver.com/watch/78153/flv/affiliate/28541 #11 FaraWhat? Monkey in a Cage] as well as some of his self-effacing deadpan humor. Having wielded a few different weapons in many of his early videos, LordGreystoke422 takes the time to go over them and discuss their safe handling in [http://one.revver.com/watch/77278/flv/affiliate/28541 #12 Guns for Safety]. In [http://one.revver.com/watch/77630/flv/affiliate/28541 #13 Greystoke Channels the Dead] LG422 acts as if he is channeling the spirit of the late {{wikipedia|Sam_Kinison|Sam Kinison}} to voice an opinion over the alleged death of [[Blogspot Frank]] and [[cassieiswatching|cassie's]] move into {{wikipedia|Second_life|Second Life}}. The [[ZombZ]] are talked about extensively and LG422 makes some incriminating admissions in [http://one.revver.com/watch/78002/flv/affiliate/28541 #14 ZombZ R Us]. LordGreystoke422 shows us some of the gear he used to live post-Katrina in the wreckage of New Orleans that he also utilized to hide out in comfort in [http://one.revver.com/watch/78008/flv/affiliate/28541 #15 Greystoke GearZ].
===LG422 and the MoonDog===
LG422 announces his decision on his dog's name in [http://one.revver.com/watch/78076/flv/affiliate/28541 #16 Tarzan's GuardianAngel]. [http://one.revver.com/watch/77997/flv/affiliate/28541 #17 Secrets of Denderah Revealed] shows LordGreystoke422 revealing a little too much (how the HELL does his stomach do that!), where he makes a parody video relating to what happened at the [[Ceremony]] between [[Bree]] and himself. It is this video that helps to coin the nickname MoonDog (derived from [[Moonchild]]) for [[Gabriel]].
Gabriel was a stray found wandering in a desolated and destroyed area in the Greater New Orleans area by LG422, while scavenging for supplies in wrecked buildings. Gabriel though still a puppy seems to be rather intelligent and is extremely friendly to almost everyone. He was approximately 6-8 months old when he was found. Gabe is a mixed breed and looks like a small version of a Rottweiler which is definitely in his lineage. Additionally, Gabriel has a keen sense and seems to be able to detect some difference in those people pursuing LordGreystoke422. It is Gabriel's keen senses that have helped to keep LordGreystoke422 from being caught unaware by his pursuers and captured or possibly worse.

===LG422 and the Order===
LG422 displays a new emotion on video as he gets word of his friend Barry, the FBI agent in [http://one.revver.com/watch/78085/flv/affiliate/28541 #18 News on the Fed]. This sees further confirmation by LG422 as to the [[Order]] having compromised law enforcement agencies. The connections grows in [http://one.revver.com/watch/81545/flv/affiliate/28541 #19 Texas Crossings] as LG422 talks of competing factions and possible connections between [[OpAphid]] and [[Lucy]] and the [[Order]] because of the maps that [[Daniel]] found on her computer of Texas which was where his friend Barry, the FBI agent was stationed at the time of his death. LordGreystoke422 makes a lot of connections related to [[Aleister Crowley]] with regards to [[Jimmy Page]] and New Orleans and San Antonio in [http://one.revver.com/watch/82164/flv/affiliate/28541 #20 An Absinthe of Clues]. A correction of the pronunciation of Crowley's surname is given in [http://one.revver.com/watch/83433/flv/affiliate/28541 #21 A Man Named Crow-Lee].

===LG422 completely loses Brucker's ability to follow the plot...===
LordGreystoke422 turns (probably stomachs) in [http://one.revver.com/watch/83604/flv/affiliate/28541 #22 Greystoke Turned to the Darkside]. LG422 takes to the streets of the French Quarter and Old Absinthe House as he is [http://one.revver.com/watch/83788/flv/affiliate/28541 #23 Desparately Seeking Crowley] and any clues that might be associated with him. 'Stoke responds to an e-mail from [http://one.revver.com/watch/85615/flv/affiliate/28541 #24 [[Frankiswaking]]! My Newest, Bestest Fan!] in his own unique way. [http://one.revver.com/watch/86937/flv/affiliate/28541 #25 Tarzan on the Light of Gemma(tria),etc] has LordGreystoke422 commenting on the advice of others such as [[Gemma]] with regards to [[Bree]]'s confusion. In [http://one.revver.com/watch/87085/flv/affiliate/28541 #26 The Moon Doesn't Suck Eggs] LordGreystoke422 cautions Bree that her decision to not go through with the [[Ceremony]] may not be the end of things. We are introduced to a guest host for [http://one.revver.com/watch/87294/flv/affiliate/28541 #27 Proving Science Wrong-Special Edition] and birthdays will never be the same. LG422 spoofs Bree and an oft used scam in [http://one.revver.com/watch/88612/flv/affiliate/28541 #28 The Longitude of Nigeria]. The importance of apologies and their acceptance, even from parents, is discussed in [http://one.revver.com/watch/89301/flv/affiliate/28541 #29 Latitude Apologies]. LordGreystoke422 attempts to call [[OpAphid]] in [http://one.revver.com/watch/90988/flv/affiliate/28541 #30 For a Good Time Call] and coins his famous nickname for OpAphid. [http://one.revver.com/watch/90994/flv/affiliate/28541 #31 LordGrey Eliminated on the Sabbath] pokes fun at [[frankiswaking]] and his threats. LG422 provides a response video to Paul and Andrea of [[Paulmark18]] on ways of [http://one.revver.com/watch/90996/flv/affiliate/28541 #32 Foiling the Black Lodge]. Grey gets a reading in the French Quarter, a bad reading, that ultimately tells the future in a strange way in [http://one.revver.com/watch/91413/flv/affiliate/28541 #33 LordGreystoke lives by the Sword-9 of them]. OpAphid posted on their page that a field trip was planned with Pizza and Ice Cream to torment LordGreystoke however, as shown in the video [http://one.revver.com/watch/99213/flv/affiliate/28541 #34 I Scream for OpAphid] this offer was quickly rescinded by OpAphid with Greystoke then turning it around in his favor. LG422 took an interest in the the YouTube HorrorFest for some reason and developed an alliance with one of the contestants as evidenced in [http://one.revver.com/watch/100088/flv/affiliate/28541 #35 Watching Betty]. In the videos [http://one.revver.com/watch/100555/flv/affiliate/28541 #36 Ice Cream Escapes] and [http://one.revver.com/watch/100705/flv/affiliate/28541 #37 The Ice Creamer's Tale] LordGreystoke422 encourages Daniel and Bree to keep moving seek sanctuary and ice cream with him in New Orleans. LordGreystoke422 shares a priceless moment with billions on the internet as he mocks OpAphid in [http://one.revver.com/watch/101752/flv/affiliate/28541 #38 Mastering Ice Cream]. [http://one.revver.com/watch/104316/flv/affiliate/28541 #39 I Scream at the Silence] sees Grey rip in to Daniel over the childish way he is acting towards Bree. After Bree and Daniel's motel room is ransacked, LG422 gives them suggestions for evasion and protection in [http://one.revver.com/watch/107539/flv/affiliate/28541 #40 Punch and Ice Cream]
and [http://one.revver.com/watch/107572/flv/affiliate/28541 #41 Ice Cream on the Whole Shell].Gemma's suspicious behavior leads Lordgreystoke422 to decide [http://one.revver.com/watch/112190/flv/affiliate/28541 #42 No Punch and Ice Cream for Gemma..well Maybe a Punch!]. LordGreystoke422 offers help and voices his support for Jonas and his offers of help to Bree and Daniel in [http://one.revver.com/watch/116010/flv/affiliate/28541 #43 Wired on Punch!] and [http://one.revver.com/watch/116241/flv/affiliate/28541 #44 Good Golly I Scream for Holly!]. LG422 makes some [http://one.revver.com/watch/117695/flv/affiliate/28541 #45 Ice Cream Revelations] about the prophecy of the cookies on 12-10-06 and wonders if the revelation we were expecting could be the departure of Danielbeast. [http://one.revver.com/watch/124263/flv/affiliate/28541 #46 Can Dry Cleaning Remove Punch Stains?] sees LG422 speaking about the hidden message from Bree's Dad and more strategies for evasion. Lordgreystoke422 revists many of his theories from the forums with regards to [http://one.revver.com/watch/126825/flv/affiliate/28541 #47 Epogen,Blood Doping, and the Ceremony]. [http://one.revver.com/watch/126968/flv/affiliate/28541 #48 See You Soon at the Mystery Movies] for a message to be revealed. Lordgreystoke422 talks about [http://one.revver.com/watch/134896/flv/affiliate/28541 #49 Who Are You?] after the startling revelation that Bree is adopted. [http://one.revver.com/watch/135502/flv/affiliate/28541 #50 Consult with the Doctor], [http://one.revver.com/watch/136278/flv/affiliate/28541 #51 Black Factions] and [http://one.revver.com/watch/137305/flv/affiliate/28541 #52 The Hydra Hypothesis] all deal with LordGreystoke422's theories with regards to the Order and how to deal with them and their various factions such the one presented by [[Immant|Dr. Thomas Immant]]. LG422 wonders [http://one.revver.com/watch/153735/flv/affiliate/28541 #53 Is Bree Missing Daniel or Lithium?] and voices his displeasure. [http://one.revver.com/watch/156886/flv/affiliate/28541 #54 Call to Arms..or Would That Be Feet?] is a recruitment video for work on.. ehem..the LGPedia. [http://one.revver.com/watch/166473/flv/affiliate/28541 #55 There is No Ice Cream in the Champagne Room at the Ceremony] or happy endings and LG422 encourages Bree not to do it.

In addition to his dangerous exploits and helpful advice, LordGreystoke422 was kind enough to find the time to serve as the keynote speaker for the Orientation 2006 graduation ceremony of [[The Homeschoolers Aggregate]] with his memorable 18-minute video [http://one.revver.com/watch/88516/flv HSAO: What is Reality]. It had been suggested that this was the longest graduation speech in history, but it is actually exceeded by others such as a noted 24-minute graduation speech once given by Warren Beatty. It is definitely the longest in HSAO history and may be one of the only graduation speeches involving the removal of clothing.[http://one.revver.com/watch/126968/flv/affiliate/28541]

==Bio ==
LordGreystoke422 shares a first name with [[Danielbeast]]. He is 38 years old and resides in the Greater {{wikipedia|New_Orleans|New Orleans}} area. He attended {{wikipedia|LSU}} for a number of years(6+) where he majored in drinking and minored in chasing women. He is trained and licensed by the state of {{wikipedia|Louisiana}} as a Massage Therapist. He has rather varied interests and a pretty varied knowledge base that many of the LG15 chat have become enamored with along with the colorful and often risqué way he speaks. He has an interest in the martial arts and was a wrestler through his secondary education years. He has developed a strong interest in weapons of all types and practices often with many kinds.

==Video Links==
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/73811/flv/affiliate/28541 #1 They Are After Me For What I Know!]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/73813/flv/affiliate/28541 #2 Corrections On The Run]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/76913/flv/affiliate/28541 #3 Tarzan and The Light of Geometria. WTF?]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/76731/flv/affiliate/28541 #4 A Question for the Venetian Princess]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/76931/flv/affiliate/28541 #5 My Hero Deserves a Name]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/77014/flv/affiliate/28541 #6 Who is OpAphid/WWF Audition]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/77046/flv/affiliate/28541 #7 Remote Viewing]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/77039/flv/affiliate/28541 #8 OpAphid Confirmed?]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/77106/flv/affiliate/28541 #9 Dead Safe?]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/77265/flv/affiliate/28541 #10 Greystoke Emergency Video]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/78153/flv/affiliate/28541 #11 FaraWhat? Monkey in a Cage]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/77278/flv/affiliate/28541 #12 Guns for Safety]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/77630/flv/affiliate/28541 #13 Greystoke Channels the Dead]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/78002/flv/affiliate/28541 #14 ZombZ R Us]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/78008/flv/affiliate/28541 #15 Greystoke GearZ]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/78076/flv/affiliate/28541 #16 Tarzan's GuardianAngel]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/77997/flv/affiliate/28541 #17 Secrets of Denderah Revealed]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/78085/flv/affiliate/28541 #18 News on the Fed]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/81545/flv/affiliate/28541 #19 Texas Crossings]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/82164/flv/affiliate/28541 #20 An Absinthe of Clues]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/83433/flv/affiliate/28541 #21 A Man Named Crow-Lee]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/83604/flv/affiliate/28541 #22 Greystoke Turned to the Darkside]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/83788/flv/affiliate/28541 #23 Desparately Seeking Crowley]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/85615/flv/affiliate/28541 #24 Frankiswaking! My Newest, Bestest Fan!]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/86937/flv/affiliate/28541 #25 Tarzan on the Light of Gemma(tria),etc]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/87085/flv/affiliate/28541 #26 The Moon Doesn't Suck Eggs]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/87294/flv/affiliate/28541 #27 Proving Science Wrong-Special Edition]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/88612/flv/affiliate/28541 #28 The Longitude of Nigeria]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/89301/flv/affiliate/28541 #29 Latitude Apologies]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/90988/flv/affiliate/28541 #30 For a Good Time Call]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/90994/flv/affiliate/28541 #31 LordGrey Eliminated on the Sabbath]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/90996/flv/affiliate/28541 #32 Foiling the Black Lodge]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/91413/flv/affiliate/28541 #33 LordGreystoke lives by the Sword-9 of them]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/99213/flv/affiliate/28541 #34 I Scream for OpAphid]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/100088/flv/affiliate/28541 #35 Watching Betty]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/100555/flv/affiliate/28541 #36 Ice Cream Escapes]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/100705/flv/affiliate/28541 #37 The Ice Creamer's Tale]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/101752/flv/affiliate/28541 #38 Mastering Ice Cream]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/104316/flv/affiliate/28541 #39 I Scream at the Silence]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/107539/flv/affiliate/28541 #40 Punch and Ice Cream]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/107572/flv/affiliate/28541 #41 Ice Cream on the Whole Shell]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/112190/flv/affiliate/28541 #42 No Punch and Ice Cream for Gemma..well Maybe a Punch!]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/116010/flv/affiliate/28541 #43 Wired on Punch!]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/116241/flv/affiliate/28541 #44 Good Golly I Scream for Holly!]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/117695/flv/affiliate/28541 #45 Ice Cream Revelations]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/124263/flv/affiliate/28541 #46 Can Dry Cleaning Remove Punch Stains?]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/126825/flv/affiliate/28541 #47 Epogen,Blood Doping, and the Ceremony]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/126968/flv/affiliate/28541 #48 See You Soon at the Mystery Movies]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/134896/flv/affiliate/28541 #49 Who Are You?]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/135502/flv/affiliate/28541 #50 Consult with the Doctor]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/136278/flv/affiliate/28541 #51 Black Factions]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/137305/flv/affiliate/28541 #52 The Hydra Hypothesis]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/153735/flv/affiliate/28541 #53 Is Bree Missing Daniel or Lithium?]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/156886/flv/affiliate/28541 #54 Call to Arms..or Would That Be Feet?]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/166473/flv/affiliate/28541 #55 There is No Ice Cream in the Champagne Room at the Ceremony]
* [http://one.revver.com/watch/183653/flv/affiliate/28541 #56 The Gaylien Relationship Fix]

== LordGreystoke422 Fanfiction Crossover Interaction ==
LordGreystoke422 has been involved in more crossover [[LG15 Spin-offs|fanfiction interaction]] than any other [[LG15]] fan fiction video producer. He has been mentioned by and responded to many other fan fiction producers.
* Producers Mentioning LordGreystoke422
:* GuillotineCalamity
:* [[The Homeschoolers Aggregate]]
:* [[OpAphid]]-Posted on their Youtube Channel page that a field trip to torment LordGreystoke422 was being planned. It was also mentioned that pizza and ice cream would be provided. This posting lasted a very short time until it was replaced with a cancellation notice for the fieldtrip which LG422 captured in his video [http://one.revver.com/watch/99213/flv/affiliate/28541 #34 I Scream for OpAphid]
:* YourMomissmarmy
:* Brucker hints at certain actions by LG422 in one of his videos.
* Other Producers Mentioned By LordGreystoke422
:* MsBlackBetty
:* [[Cassieiswatching]]
:* [[Frankiswaking]]
:* [[The Homeschoolers Aggregate]]
:* [[Immant]]
:* [[OpAphid]]
:* [[Paulmark18]]
:* Venetian Princess

== LordGreystoke422's Bookshelf ==
LordGreystoke422 often films videos standing next to a bookshelf. People in the IRC have speculated as to the nature of these books and where they came from. It was suggested that maybe they came from a library. Others suggest that the people in the IRC chat have too much time on their hands and should look at the obvious. The books are mostly paperbacks or are hardbacks with unprotected illustrators covers still intact which suggests the books were purchased. Usually there is a different book facing forward in each video filmed in LG422's "study".

==Post 218==
People have suggested the FBI but the Bureau is compromised as well. The Will Stealers have worked long and hard for decades and decades to place themselves where needed. The Black Lodge is for real and must be stopped. They seek not only money and power,things they have had for a while, but to control the thoughts and actions of all those that "follow" them. There is only ONE solution...Destruction..before 2014 becomes 1984. Many think it cool to join the darkness and yet still seek the companionship and friendship of those that walk in the light. This may be out of ignorance of what they have become..or design to usurp the will of others. No matter, the unbelievers of freewill must at the very least be shunned. Many of these followers think that they are still acting out of freewill yet, innocence and ignorance both walk hand in hand. Those that follow the Black Lodge have a self-loathing that creates for a weakness of mind that makes them easy to manipulate and more pliable to the mind controls of the Black Lodge. Tread lightly everywhere you go..deceit and lies are everywhere and a wrong step could cost you your individuality and your soul. What some fail to realize is that very often, the devil doesn't take it all at once, he takes it like the stock of a company, share by share, until he owns the majority and you no longer have a say. So do what thou wilt but, remember... THIS IS NOT A GAME!

==Post 273==
#248 toad(he asked for more info)

I thought that was kind of what my 50 odd video posts were about. Granted there is a lot more that has be languishing in hard drive limbo for 2 months that needs to get out. In due time.. I have to weigh aiding others with compromising what I need to accomplish and at times its not easy. One thing that will work in our favor is that there is some factionalization within the Order of the Black Lodge. The Beast has sprung more than one head with a mind of its own and they all have different ideas. I believe possibly as far as the Lodge goes..one may have fully split to become 2 or more and now compete for the same thing though at times seeking entirely different prizes and goals. One great example of this factionalism is Dr. Thomas [[Immant]]..a head that grew in popularity and stature and is now himself very likely running for his life.

==ZombZ==
This is the name that [[LordGreystoke422]] has given to the majority of the people that are pursuing him. It needs to be made clear that these people are not undead or supernatural in any way. These people seem to be under some sort of mind control. It has been speculated that these ZombZ are controlled by some sort of [remote viewing] type of control. They have been predisposed to this control via [Neuro-linguistic] programming and possibly by neural implants. Very likely some of the same techniques used to create zombies in Haiti have been utilized and refined and combined with other methods. [[LG422]] alluded to these sorts of things in [[#Post 218|post218]] and [[#Post 273|post 273]] of the video [[Bree's Dad Is Dead]].

== References ==
[http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=mind-control-by-cell/ Mind Control by Cell Phone]

==External links==
* [http://www.lordgreystoke422.blogspot.com/ LordGreystoke422's Blog]
* [http://one.revver.com/collections/show/13890/page/1/title/asc LordGreystoke422's Videos]
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=LordGreystoke422 LordGreystoke422 on YouTube]
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=msblackbetty MsBlackBety]
* [http://www.myspace.com/lordgreystoke422 Lordgreystoke422's MySpace page]

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User:LordGreystoke422

2008-05-18T04:44:26Z

LordGreystoke422:

I am [[LordGreystoke422]]. {{Userbox FanVidWhore}}
Because of recent developments I am strongly considering following Immant's lead and taking an indefinite hiatus from video making. Additionally I am considering taking it one step further and removing all of my videos. The lack of support and constant uphill battle to tell a story is rather tiresome however, a fight never deters me. Its the criticism of the small things that finally does it. When anything you do..even the simple act of making a PERSONAL userbox garners a talk discussion and people in charge become chagrined when you defend yourself..it gets old. They have never walked in the shoes of someone that has been picked at the entire way by both sides for the way things were done. Never been though the cyberstalking that eventually removes much of your joy from what you do. The need to defend ones acts against such a person..to finally gain action, only to find that person to have OBVIOUSLY come back and begin to pick at your work again. Then to have to justify things related to myself and my work..such as PERSONAL userboxes..and then another anonymously posts at almost the same time the stalker makes new negative userboxes..and people don't remotely get your frustration at not being able to make a little simple harmless userbox...something that is about personal expression without someone with obviously nothing better to do making an issue of it. In the end..the straw weighs a ton.

Based on the actions of some in chat they expect others to treat them differently than they treat them, an overall lack of even applications of the rules....Gone I stay. Be nice to strangers as you never know who they may really be.

P.S. I am NOT T.J. Marsh.

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{{Userbox 2ndAmendment}} {{Userbox ArmOnBear}} {{Userbox ArmedBears}}

{{Userbox Stoked}} {{Userbox IceCream|Mint Chocolate Chip}} {{Userbox Pizza|Muffeleta}} {{Userbox HSAOKeynote}}

User:LordGreystoke422

2008-05-17T20:25:05Z

LordGreystoke422:

I am [[LordGreystoke422]]. {{Userbox FanVidWhore}}
Because of recent developments I am strongly considering following Immant's lead and taking an indefinite hiatus from video making. Additionally I am considering taking it one step further and removing all of my videos. The lack of support and constant uphill battle to tell a story is rather tiresome however, a fight never deters me. Its the criticism of the small things that finally does it. When anything you do..even the simple act of making a PERSONAL userbox garners a talk discussion and people in charge become chagrined when you defend yourself..it gets old. They have never walked in the shoes of someone that has been picked at the entire way by both sides for the way things were done. Never been though the cyberstalking that eventually removes much of your joy from what you do. The need to defend ones acts against such a person..to finally gain action, only to find that person to have OBVIOUSLY come back and begin to pick at your work again. Then to have to justify things related to myself and my work..such as PERSONAL userboxes..and then another anonymously posts at almost the same time the stalker makes new negative userboxes..and people don't remotely get your frustration at not being able to make a little simple harmless userbox...something that is about personal expression without someone with obviously nothing better to do making an issue of it. In the end..the straw weighs a ton.

Based on the actions of some in chat they expect others to treat them differently than they treat them, an overall lack of even applications of the rules....Gone I stay. Be nice to strangers as you never know who they may really be.

USERBOXES:

{{Userbox 2ndAmendment}} {{Userbox ArmOnBear}} {{Userbox ArmedBears}}

{{Userbox Stoked}} {{Userbox IceCream|Mint Chocolate Chip}} {{Userbox Pizza|Muffeleta}} {{Userbox HSAOKeynote}}

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2007-03-03T11:44:47Z

LordGreystoke422:

I appreciate the art brucker..but I think it sort of defeats the purpose of the tag in a way. The point was to have THOR armed with a gun. Unfortunately there werent great shots of Thor. I think this box is better appreciated with Thor as the armed bear. If someone can Photoshop him better I am all for that..but I really think Thor is the way to go.
:Admittedly I am not so great at photoshop either, but it's hard to see that it's Thor. Perhaps if [[:Image:Thor.jpg]] was used as the basis? I'll give it a crack... {{User:Brucker/sig}} 11:48, 1 March 2007 (CST)

::That works for me...I just wasn't able to find any good images of Thor. Actually I am not even sure this image is actually Thor..where's the writing on his Jersey..why under the gun of coure..? That doesnt matter..on the small picture it definitely looks like Thor. Its a better shot than what I pulled up. DAMN ME...Sign --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 05:44, 3 March 2007 (CST)